Dwight Muhamed Qawi called Marvin Hagler out

[#1Assassin]

hagler was a MW, u cant call someone a ducker for not moving up. especially from one of the most highly regarded weightclasses in boxing. more often the ones who go through alot of weightclasses are the ones who are duckers, pciking and choosing their spots to win titles. marvin took all the belts and fought any MW who wanted to fight him, no way is that ducking. he was a small MW too.

[mickey malone]

1st off,theres a very good reason hagler didnt fight spinks or qawi.he knew it was a good chance he would get his ass kicked.

That wasn't the reason at all.. The reason was that Leonard, Hearns and Duran were better ATG's, bigger names, and more lucrative fights.. Had Spinks or Qawi been the star attractions of boxing, then he'd have fought them instead..

marvin was a physical mismatch for the mw's fought but would have no such advantage over qawi or spinks.

Size hardly comes into it.. At 5'9" how can any one of Hagler's opponents have been physically mis-matched ?.. Hearns was 6'1" with a 78" reach.. He was even considered big at 175, and not a lot smaller than Bob Foster in fact..
What physical disadvantages would Hagler incur against Qawi?

hagler/duran was fought at very close quarters and marvin wasnt able to dent him,so seriously doubt anything he throws is bothering qawi or spinks.

Hagler beat a very good version of Duran rather comfortably.. A better Duran than the one who destroyed Davey Moore and beat an enormous MW in Iran Barkley.. Hagler would land a lot more punches on Qawi than he did on Duran..

it also took him 11 rounds to get rid of mugabi,and he ate plenty leather along the way.if qawi/spinks land as much as mugabi,hagler would be put to bed.hagler seemed bothered by the power of roldan who was mayorgaesque.so lets stop this notion that hagler was a defensive wizard.he wasnt.he was hit often in his career.

A past-prime Hagler knocked out John Mugabe in 11 rounds and Roldan who was also a very pig puncher and fought nothing like Ricardo Mayorga..
Where did I say that Hagler was a defensive wizard ?.. An aggresive fighter who can deliver power shots off the back foot doesn't in any way equate to a defensive wizard..

and saying cause hagler went toe to toe with hearns and walked threw him is plain hillarious.hearns was a paper thin ww,and has only k.od 1 fighter of note above 147.a past it duran.hearns broke his hand in round 1 and only landed 1 good shot.theres a reason hagler jumped all over hearns from the outset.its cause he knew he would walk through tommys shot,as he had done all the other ww he chose to fight.

Where did I say, "Walked through him?"
The fact that Hearns broke his right hand trying to put him away only serves as testiment to how difficult it must have been to hurt him.. So what, if Hearns was a paper thin welterweight.. At 160, he was exactly the same size as Hopkins..

spinks had dynamite in both hand and was well bigger than tommy with much better boxing skills than tommy,and a good chin.and no they werent equal and reach and spinks was light years ahead in speed.im not 1 for saying guys who have never been stopped get stopped,but no way in hell hagler sees the final bell

Hagler was a bigger puncher at 160 than Spinks was at 175 and has more KO's than any other MW champion in history.. He's got more KO's than Spinks had fights..
Post some evidence that even suggests Spinks had a longer reach than Hagler..
Only Sonny Liston had a longer height to reach ratio than Hagler who was equal to Spinks at 75 inches, and way ahead of Qawi at 71".. For a man of 5'9", Marvin had arms like a baboon and would have been able to go the distance with any of the LHWT champs in history.. I also believe, he'd beat a fair few of them too, as 160 has always been the much stronger division imo..

[r.burgundy]

1st off,theres a very good reason hagler didnt fight spinks or qawi.he knew it was a good chance he would get his ass kicked.

That wasn't the reason at all.. The reason was that Leonard, Hearns and Duran were better ATG's, bigger names, and more lucrative fights.. Had Spinks or Qawi been the star attractions of boxing, then he'd have fought them instead..

marvin was a physical mismatch for the mw's fought but would have no such advantage over qawi or spinks.

Size hardly comes into it.. At 5'9" how can any one of Hagler's opponents have been physically mis-matched ?.. Hearns was 6'1" with a 78" reach.. He was even considered big at 175, and not a lot smaller than Bob Foster in fact..
What physical disadvantages would Hagler incur against Qawi?

hagler/duran was fought at very close quarters and marvin wasnt able to dent him,so seriously doubt anything he throws is bothering qawi or spinks.

Hagler beat a very good version of Duran rather comfortably.. A better Duran than the one who destroyed Davey Moore and beat an enormous MW in Iran Barkley.. Hagler would land a lot more punches on Qawi than he did on Duran..

it also took him 11 rounds to get rid of mugabi,and he ate plenty leather along the way.if qawi/spinks land as much as mugabi,hagler would be put to bed.hagler seemed bothered by the power of roldan who was mayorgaesque.so lets stop this notion that hagler was a defensive wizard.he wasnt.he was hit often in his career.

A past-prime Hagler knocked out John Mugabe in 11 rounds and Roldan who was also a very pig puncher and fought nothing like Ricardo Mayorga..
Where did I say that Hagler was a defensive wizard ?.. An aggresive fighter who can deliver power shots off the back foot doesn't in any way equate to a defensive wizard..

and saying cause hagler went toe to toe with hearns and walked threw him is plain hillarious.hearns was a paper thin ww,and has only k.od 1 fighter of note above 147.a past it duran.hearns broke his hand in round 1 and only landed 1 good shot.theres a reason hagler jumped all over hearns from the outset.its cause he knew he would walk through tommys shot,as he had done all the other ww he chose to fight.

Where did I say, "Walked through him?"
The fact that Hearns broke his right hand trying to put him away only serves as testiment to how difficult it must have been to hurt him.. So what, if Hearns was a paper thin welterweight.. At 160, he was exactly the same size as Hopkins..

spinks had dynamite in both hand and was well bigger than tommy with much better boxing skills than tommy,and a good chin.and no they werent equal and reach and spinks was light years ahead in speed.im not 1 for saying guys who have never been stopped get stopped,but no way in hell hagler sees the final bell

Hagler was a bigger puncher at 160 than Spinks was at 175 and has more KO's than any other MW champion in history.. He's got more KO's than Spinks had fights..
Post some evidence that even suggests Spinks had a longer reach than Hagler..
Only Sonny Liston had a longer height to reach ratio than Hagler who was equal to Spinks at 75 inches, and way ahead of Qawi at 71".. For a man of 5'9", Marvin had arms like a baboon and would have been able to go the distance with any of the LHWT champs in history.. I also believe, he'd beat a fair few of them too, as 160 has always been the much stronger division imo..

majority of haglers opponents were 5'8 while hagler was close to 5'10 with a monstrous reach.not to mention hagler was built like a tank and able to physically impose himself when he fought.against qawi he had still have height and reach,but qawi was much more physical.boxrec list spinks with a 76 reach and hagler 75.

stop acting like height is the only factor in a size mismatch.hearns was not a big fighter.theres a huge difference in being tall,and being big.hearns was,not big.his physique stayed the exact same from 147 on up.he was not a physicaly strong guy despite his power.

now hagler was past prime when he fought mugabi.wow.lol.you mean to tell me that hagler couldnt have passed on mugabi in favor of qawi or passed on roldan and fought spinks?he couldve even fought tommy at lhw.he fought twice in 84 and once in 85,86,87.leonard had said he wasnt gonna fight marvin.he retired after leonard.he had plenty time to make any fight he wanted

of course its gonna be difficult for a ww to hurt a mw lol.he's never been hit by a fighter with the strenght and power of spinks and qawi.qawi was able to shake big george up early in thier fight.

are you trying to suggest that hagler had a bigger punch than spinks lol.do you think hagler couldve k.od gerry cooney???iran barkley was enormous?riiight.ive met iran and he wasnt taller than me,and im 6'

[mickey malone]

majority of haglers opponents were 5'8 while hagler was close to 5'10 with a monstrous reach.not to mention hagler was built like a tank and able to physically impose himself when he fought.against qawi he had still have height and reach,but qawi was much more physical.boxrec list spinks with a 76 reach and hagler 75.

I judge match-ups on style not size, and with Hagler being one of the last of the great throw-back fighters, size isn't of too much importance.. I was merely high-lighting the fact that Hagler's been in with guys of all shapes and sizes, and ko'd most of them.. Sure, for a small MW he was imposing, and this was simply because he was good at hurting people and nothing to do with size..
With regard to reach, I wouldn't trust every statistic on boxrec.. Like the rest of us, they're prone to errors, but if Spinks has an inch on him, it isn't important..

stop acting like height is the only factor in a size mismatch.hearns was not a big fighter.theres a huge difference in being tall,and being big.hearns was,not big.his physique stayed the exact same from 147 on up.he was not a physicaly strong guy despite his power.

Hearns not big?.. He was more like a natural light-heavy!.. But once again, it's not relevent because it's based on styles, and if Qawi's only advantage is being more physical, then Hagler would have his number..

now hagler was past prime when he fought mugabi.wow.lol.you mean to tell me that hagler couldnt have passed on mugabi in favor of qawi or passed on roldan and fought spinks?he couldve even fought tommy at lhw.he fought twice in 84 and once in 85,86,87.leonard had said he wasnt gonna fight marvin.he retired after leonard.he had plenty time to make any fight he wanted

Before facing Leonard, Hagler had already spoken about a fight with Spinks which may well have happened had he not retired in disgust. Just for the record, I thought Leonard deserved the nod, but no way can Hagler be accused of ducking anyone..

of course its gonna be difficult for a ww to hurt a mw lol.he's never been hit by a fighter with the strenght and power of spinks and qawi.qawi was able to shake big george up early in thier fight.

Hagler fights completely the opposite way to George Foreman, and if punchers like Hearns, Mugabe and Briscoe can't fluster him, then there's every chance he'll be able to take the shots of Spinks and Qawi. Look at Chris Eubank, another iron chinned MW who although not quite as good as Hagler was able to go up to 190, fight a close decision and take the punches of Carl Thompson, who has a KO victory over David Haye..

are you trying to suggest that hagler had a bigger punch than spinks lol.do you think hagler couldve k.od gerry cooney???iran barkley was enormous?riiight.ive met iran and he wasnt taller than me,and im 6'

No, are you???

Barkley fought at heavyweight with mixed blessings including a TKO win over faded former world champ Gerrie Coetzee, so yes at 6' with a big bone structure, he was indeed an enormous MW.. You've already stated that Hagler was physically imposing at 5 feet 9 and a half, so what exactly are you getting at?

[prinzemanspopa]

Hearns was such a natural light heavyweight that Emanuel Steward claimed that Hearns had alot of diffculty putting on weight after the move up from the welterweight division.


Hearns move up through the weight classes were forced through an extensive weight training program.

[r.burgundy]

majority of haglers opponents were 5'8 while hagler was close to 5'10 with a monstrous reach.not to mention hagler was built like a tank and able to physically impose himself when he fought.against qawi he had still have height and reach,but qawi was much more physical.boxrec list spinks with a 76 reach and hagler 75.

I judge match-ups on style not size, and with Hagler being one of the last of the great throw-back fighters, size isn't of too much importance.. I was merely high-lighting the fact that Hagler's been in with guys of all shapes and sizes, and ko'd most of them.. Sure, for a small MW he was imposing, and this was simply because he was good at hurting people and nothing to do with size..
With regard to reach, I wouldn't trust every statistic on boxrec.. Like the rest of us, they're prone to errors, but if Spinks has an inch on him, it isn't important..

stop acting like height is the only factor in a size mismatch.hearns was not a big fighter.theres a huge difference in being tall,and being big.hearns was,not big.his physique stayed the exact same from 147 on up.he was not a physicaly strong guy despite his power.

Hearns not big?.. He was more like a natural light-heavy!.. But once again, it's not relevent because it's based on styles, and if Qawi's only advantage is being more physical, then Hagler would have his number..

now hagler was past prime when he fought mugabi.wow.lol.you mean to tell me that hagler couldnt have passed on mugabi in favor of qawi or passed on roldan and fought spinks?he couldve even fought tommy at lhw.he fought twice in 84 and once in 85,86,87.leonard had said he wasnt gonna fight marvin.he retired after leonard.he had plenty time to make any fight he wanted

Before facing Leonard, Hagler had already spoken about a fight with Spinks which may well have happened had he not retired in disgust. Just for the record, I thought Leonard deserved the nod, but no way can Hagler be accused of ducking anyone..

of course its gonna be difficult for a ww to hurt a mw lol.he's never been hit by a fighter with the strenght and power of spinks and qawi.qawi was able to shake big george up early in thier fight.

Hagler fights completely the opposite way to George Foreman, and if punchers like Hearns, Mugabe and Briscoe can't fluster him, then there's every chance he'll be able to take the shots of Spinks and Qawi. Look at Chris Eubank, another iron chinned MW who although not quite as good as Hagler was able to go up to 190, fight a close decision and take the punches of Carl Thompson, who has a KO victory over David Haye..

are you trying to suggest that hagler had a bigger punch than spinks lol.do you think hagler couldve k.od gerry cooney???iran barkley was enormous?riiight.ive met iran and he wasnt taller than me,and im 6'

No, are you???

Barkley fought at heavyweight with mixed blessings including a TKO win over faded former world champ Gerrie Coetzee, so yes at 6' with a big bone structure, he was indeed an enormous MW.. You've already stated that Hagler was physically imposing at 5 feet 9 and a half, so what exactly are you getting at?

the tallest guy hagler fought was hearns,and hearns was fragile.fulicerbo or whatever his name was,was 6' tall and caveman lee was 5'11 but other than every last 1 of his foes was 5'9 and under.well i cant think of anymore off the top but either way,height is a huge factor in fights.

hearns wasnt a natural lhw.he wasnt even a big ww.tall yes,big no.cintron,williams and rito are big welterweights.guys who come into the ring above 160.and as i pointed out earlier he never ko'd anybody of note above ww except for duran so he couldnt have been a natural lhw.he certainly had the skills to still win fights

im not saying hagler ducked spinks or qawi.thats still a big difference in size.but hagler made his name off calling out the smaller guys.the truly great 1's prove it in the ring.hagler proved he was a great mw,but as far as being an atg regardless of class,i cant say that about him.

mugabe is a seriuosly overated puncher.he never ko'd anybody of note at any class he was in.same with bennie briscoe,and as stated earlier hearns only significant ko was of a former lw duran

[mickey malone]

the tallest guy hagler fought was hearns,and hearns was fragile.fulicerbo or whatever his name was,was 6' tall and caveman lee was 5'11 but other than every last 1 of his foes was 5'9 and under.well i cant think of anymore off the top but either way,height is a huge factor in fights.

Ah, so it's you who wants to continue the size debate.. Well there's not a lot more you can say apart from Hagler never fought anyone over 6'1", Spinks was 2 inches taller, and he couldn't Ko the 9 inches shorter Qawi over 15 rounds.. I wonder why that was?.. Must have been something to do with the contrast in styles, but you don't want to discuss that do you?

hearns wasnt a natural lhw.he wasnt even a big ww.tall yes,big no.cintron,williams and rito are big welterweights.guys who come into the ring above 160.and as i pointed out earlier he never ko'd anybody of note above ww except for duran so he couldnt have been a natural lhw.he certainly had the skills to still win fights

Mark Medal at 154, Fred Hutchins at 154, Jeff McCracken at 160, James Schuler at 160, Juan Roldan at 160, Dennis Andries at 175, Andrew Maynard at 190, were all ko'd by the "small" welterweight, Thomas Hearns..
Andries was a 3 time champ at 175, Medal won a belt at 160 or 154.. Hutchins, Maynard, Schuler and Roldan were all top contenders.. In fact James 'Black Gold' Schuler was being tipped to fill Hagler's boots, until Hearns poleaxed him with a right hook in the very 1st round.. Schuler, another 'big' middleweight was unconscious for several minutes.


im not saying hagler ducked spinks or qawi.thats still a big difference in size.but hagler made his name off calling out the smaller guys.the truly great 1's prove it in the ring.hagler proved he was a great mw,but as far as being an atg regardless of class,i cant say that about him.

But, unbelievably, you are saying that Hagler is NOT an ATG..
He cleared out a whole division FFS!.. Then he took on the best p4p fighters, beating 2 of them, and according to many, had the better of Leonard too.. And before you say they were all smaller than Hagler, they all beat bigger men than Hagler, so once again, this proves beyond doubt that styles make fights and the size issue is hardly relevent..

mugabe is a seriuosly overated puncher.he never ko'd anybody of note at any class he was in.same with bennie briscoe,and as stated earlier hearns only significant ko was of a former lw duran

You obviously don't know diddly squat about Briscoe and tbh, I havn't got time to explain.. All I will say is that he was one of the most feared MW's in boxing history and would have probably been a world champion had it not been for Monzon and Hagler.
Besides, picking holes in opponents is easy ****.. I could sit here and say Quawi only ever beat 2 decent fighters and lost to all of the rest, but what does that prove?.. And you're also incorrect about Heans's significant KO's..
In summing up, I still say that if Hagler beefed up a little, he'd have the ideal style to defeat Muhammad Qawi.. I've already said that Spinks would be too fast & rangey and able to catch Marvin on the back foot, but Qawi would not be so adept at this in my opinion..

[mickey malone]

Hearns was such a natural light heavyweight that Emanuel Steward claimed that Hearns had alot of diffculty putting on weight after the move up from the welterweight division.


Hearns move up through the weight classes were forced through an extensive weight training program.

No, quite easily in fact, and without the use of steroids.
Hearns was also very comfortable skipping backwards and forwards from 154 to 160.. Amazing what the dieticians can do with an unaturally big welter!.. This was b4 using Dennis Andries as a punch bag and interrupting Virgil Hill, **** in the middle of his prime..
He looked massive compared to Andries; Hearns was more than comfortable at 175.

[BennyST]

More than once! Why didnt hagler take the challenge? hagler spent most his career calling out smaller fighters, but refused to fight dwight who was only 5 foot 6 which is a small for a lightheavyweight so hagler would not of been giving to much size away anyway! the fight has classic written all over it

Well, you could say the same for Monzon. He was called out by Foster, and Conteh even and yet chose to stay at MW fighting smaller big names. The difference is that Monzon was much closer to a LHW whereas Hagler was closer to a JMW.

[BennyST]

hearns wasnt a natural lhw.he wasnt even a big ww.tall yes,big no.cintron,williams and rito are big welterweights.guys who come into the ring above 160.

What are you on?



Does this even look like a former WW, and one who was a 'small' WW at that? Was Paul Williams a small WW?

A small WW could not by any means move up to LHW and beat guys the likes of Dennis Andries and a prime, undefeated Virgil Hill. It just doesn't happen. Hearns was massive as a WW, JMW and even MW.

Nor does a fragile WW go from WW to CW over a long career, fighting everyone by being small at 147.

Jesus....The madness here sometimes.