If Ali were never stripped of his title in 1967, could he have beaten Louis' record?

[Jim Jeffries]

lol....why the **** are you idiots debating the same topic in 3 different threads????

da ****??

Ali's resume >>>> Joe's resume

you have to be blind or ****** to think otherwise

Who got more gift decisions? Ali or Louis?

[Rolling Stone]

Who got more gift decisions? Ali or Louis?

who got knocked out more???

and please list the gift decisions Ali got???

c'mon then.......Young?? Norton III??? very close fights which could've gone either way.....hardly a gift

[Jim Jeffries]

who got knocked out more???

and please list the gift decisions Ali got???

c'mon then.......Young?? Norton III??? very close fights which could've gone either way.....hardly a gift

Louis was never knocked out in his prime.

Ali didn't win 4 of 15 rounds against Young.

It's debatable whether Ali won any of the three fights against Norton.

[Rolling Stone]

Louis was never knocked out in his prime.

Ali didn't win 4 of 15 rounds against Young.

It's debatable whether Ali won any of the three fights against Norton.

pathetic retort......go home son....you're an idiot

[sonnyboyx2]

Louis was never knocked out in his prime.

Ali didn't win 4 of 15 rounds against Young.

It's debatable whether Ali won any of the three fights against Norton.

Ali won 12 of 15rds against Young, if you score the round to Young for holding his head out of the ring then it was a close fight.. but thats not the way to judge a boxing match, the judges on the night had it scored correctly 72-65, 71-65, 70-68 Muhammad Ali by landslide victory.

Muhammad Ali lost by a `Split-Decision` in his first fight with Ken Norton even tho he suffered a broken jaw.. Ali won the next two fights with Norton, to claim those decisions was incorrect is deluding oneself

[geribeetus]

pathetic retort......go home son....you're an idiot

i agree with him. louis' chin is highly underrated. you can see it in the baer fight and even in the first schmeling fight. he took a beating from schmeling from the ref stepped in.

edit: that's max baer, not buddy. in fact, i'd say louis took bigger shots from baer than ali did from foreman.

[Jim Jeffries]

Ali won 12 of 15rds against Young, if you score the round to Young for holding his head out of the ring then it was a close fight.. but thats not the way to judge a boxing match, the judges on the night had it scored correctly 72-65, 71-65, 70-68 Muhammad Ali by landslide victory.

Muhammad Ali lost by a `Split-Decision` in his first fight with Ken Norton even tho he suffered a broken jaw.. Ali won the next two fights with Norton, to claim those decisions was incorrect is deluding oneself

Hold on a second gramps, you're saying Ali won 12 rounds against Young, and I'm the one that's delusional?:thinking1:

[Rolling Stone]

Ali won 12 of 15rds against Young, if you score the round to Young for holding his head out of the ring then it was a close fight.. but thats not the way to judge a boxing match, the judges on the night had it scored correctly 72-65, 71-65, 70-68 Muhammad Ali by landslide victory.

Muhammad Ali lost by a `Split-Decision` in his first fight with Ken Norton even tho he suffered a broken jaw.. Ali won the next two fights with Norton, to claim those decisions was incorrect is deluding oneself

Jimmy Young showed no attempt at ring generalship.....consistently hiding between the ropes to hide from Ali's flurries was pathetic......the Judges scored it correctly and Ali haters love to totally ignore that fact and then cry gift decision

all 3 Norton fights were very close

[boxingbuff]

You wrote the words in bold, right? I mean it says you did. So if we're to believe what you initially wrote, and I do, what are you basing this most recent comment on? I know when I wrote that Louis was the fastest most precise combination puncher it was based on facts that are supported by experts and historians alike. Well?

Louis was slow on his feet.He had poor head movement.And a suspect chin.

Why did you leave out these facts?

BTW-What you base as facts are just imaginations of your mind.Patterson and Ali are both faster than Joe.

[JAB5239]

Louis was slow on his feet.He had poor head movement.And a suspect chin.

Why did you leave out these facts?

BTW-What you base as facts are just imaginations of your mind.Patterson and Ali are both faster than Joe.

If you knew anything about Louis you would kow his slow shuffling style was to draw opponents into punching range so apply maximum power.

Don't know where you get the idea he had poor head movement. Just because he wasn't bobbing and weaving all the time doesn't make that true.

As far as a suspect chin......that is a myth. Flash knockdowns don't make a bad chin. Louis ate right after right from Schmeling before being finally stopped. I think it was over 100 flush rights but am not sure of the exact number. That is hardly suspect. His power of recovery was as good as any heavyweight ever. So you can dead that assumption.

Whether he was faster, as fast or not quite as fast as Ali and Patterson is irrelevant. NOBODY threw harder, faster and more precise punches in combination. That is a fact.