Kostya Tszyu vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. @ 140

[mickey malone]

people are underrating KT here.im not saying he would win but he would certainly give mayweather trouble

I quite agree!

I for one, think Mayweather's style is all wrong for Tszyu, and Floyd would stop him late, but Paquiao just may have been custom made for him..

Has anyone noticed what Tszyu did to every southpaw he faced?.. He blitzed them!..
None of them are ATG's, but all good fighters nevertheless..
In fact, it's very difficult to think of another fighter who had a better record against lefties:-

Pedro Sanchez - Crafty southpaw from the Dominican Republic, and had just given a 27-0 Oba Carr his toughest fight in a SD loss.. KO'd by 7
Hugo Pineda - Southpaw KO specialist, who moved up to cruiserweight!.. Kostya KO'd him in 11..
Corey Johnson - Another capable southpaw, KO'd in 4
Ismael Armando Chavez - A tough and durable Argentinian southpaw, totally dominated, and KO'd for the only time in a 53 fight career..
Shambra Mitchell - Slick American southpaw, KO'd twice
Zab Juddah - Another top unbeaten US fighter, exposed at the top of his game.. And yes, he's a southpaw..

He beat prime versions of Oktay Urkal, who was the unbeaten EU champ, an awkward slippery fighter who no one wanted to fight, a poorman's Mayweater if you like, and Kostya had to go the DC to beat him..
Jan Piet Bergman was an unbeaten puncher from South Africa.. Tszu went toe to toe, and KO'd him in 6..
Another terrific performance was against Cuban star, Diosbelys Hurtado, a fighter who only lost to 3 world champs in his whole career.. Tszyu took care of him a lot easier than what Pernell Whitaker did..
What about the hugely underrated performance against the big punching Miguel Angel Gonzalez.. He'd only dropped a DC to DLH, before getting KO'd by Kostya..

For those that say he has a poor resume, i'd only agree to that in quantity.. The quality of his resume is in complete contrast.. You can say that a lot of his opposition were past prime, but when you're schooling ex-champs inside of 25 pro fights, i think it means you're doing something a bit special.. R.Ruelas, LaPorte, Bramble, Grove, R.Mayweather, Chavez and Leiga were all PP imo, but not shot.. And for those who say he loses to all the top Americans, i'd pick him against Pryor and Perkins any day..

[them_apples]

On the subject of best fighters around today, timing, both on leads and counters, is exactly how you beat Manny Pacquiao. JMM showed it, and if his chin was sturdier he would have posted two clear W's over Manny.

Cotto showed a bit of it early on vs Manny, but Manny took away Miguel's rhythm by landing his own shots through Miguel's leaky defence and hurting him. Turned the whole fight around. Floyd will do the same to Manny, time him with jabs, lead rights, lead hooks, counters, but unlike Cotto Floyd won't be thrown off his game and Manny won't be finding Floyd much.

the way to beat Floyd is exactly how Pacquiao fights. Unorthodox pressure with immense speed. floyd likes it when everything goes his way, when things don't he's not much of a "fighter" if you know what I mean.

Marquez out times Pacquiao, but still that Pacquiao wasn't what we have today, and Marquez is a notorious warrior who would open up with 5 punch combinations. Floyd lands his one shot, then what does he do?

Not saying who wins, just posting both sides of the fence. Mayweather has been hurt badly by 2 other far lesser southpaws.

[Jim Jeffries]

thats not true, timing can beat anyone. he's eaten some mean shots from being out timed.

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I don't know that zoo was "a little" past prime, I happen to think he was pretty far past prime, as I mention in another thread but that seems to piss a lot of people off, as they want to believe that zoo was prime to elevate Hatton's win.

I believe that any great boxer beats Ricky Hatton - the fact that Kostya could not deal Hatton tells me that he couldn't deal with the greatest boxer in boxing today - Floyd Mayweather.

Just because I said zoo throws twice as many punches doesn't mean he's throwing a ton of punches.

Floyd is a pretty good finisher and the fact that he was able to KO guys like Ricky Hatton and Arturo Gatti tells me that, while it's not guaranteed, it's very possible that he KO's zoo in the later rounds.

Styles make fights, a 36yo boxer who used to be great, might be outswarmed by a Hatton who still had to take a lot of punishment. Do we have to run a list of ppl who got beaten by inferior opposition at 35 and after? I don't think so.

Hatton kept on coming, and Gatti is not even remotely in PBF (or Zoo's) league, which is exactly my point. Either you look for it or you are trash (relatively speaking of course), otherwise Mayweather won't look to KO you. Especially not when you carry that kind of equalizer in your right hand.

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the way to beat Floyd is exactly how Pacquiao fights. Unorthodox pressure with immense speed. floyd likes it when everything goes his way, when things don't he's not much of a "fighter" if you know what I mean.

Marquez out times Pacquiao, but still that Pacquiao wasn't what we have today, and Marquez is a notorious warrior who would open up with 5 punch combinations. Floyd lands his one shot, then what does he do?

Not saying who wins, just posting both sides of the fence. Mayweather has been hurt badly by 2 other far lesser southpaws.

hurt badly? I am curious which fights you were watching.

As for the rest I agree, Pacquiao has the right style to beat Mayweather. can he? I hope we get to see it while they are both still close to their primes.

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I quite agree!

I for one, think Mayweather's style is all wrong for Tszyu, and Floyd would stop him late, but Paquiao just may have been custom made for him..

Has anyone noticed what Tszyu did to every southpaw he faced?.. He blitzed them!..
None of them are ATG's, but all good fighters nevertheless..
In fact, it's very difficult to think of another fighter who had a better record against lefties:-

Pedro Sanchez - Crafty southpaw from the Dominican Republic, and had just given a 27-0 Oba Carr his toughest fight in a SD loss.. KO'd by 7
Hugo Pineda - Southpaw KO specialist, who moved up to cruiserweight!.. Kostya KO'd him in 11..
Corey Johnson - Another capable southpaw, KO'd in 4
Ismael Armando Chavez - A tough and durable Argentinian southpaw, totally dominated, and KO'd for the only time in a 53 fight career..
Shambra Mitchell - Slick American southpaw, KO'd twice
Zab Juddah - Another top unbeaten US fighter, exposed at the top of his game.. And yes, he's a southpaw..

He beat prime versions of Oktay Urkal, who was the unbeaten EU champ, an awkward slippery fighter who no one wanted to fight, a poorman's Mayweater if you like, and Kostya had to go the DC to beat him..
Jan Piet Bergman was an unbeaten puncher from South Africa.. Tszu went toe to toe, and KO'd him in 6..
Another terrific performance was against Cuban star, Diosbelys Hurtado, a fighter who only lost to 3 world champs in his whole career.. Tszyu took care of him a lot easier than what Pernell Whitaker did..
What about the hugely underrated performance against the big punching Miguel Angel Gonzalez.. He'd only dropped a DC to DLH, before getting KO'd by Kostya..

For those that say he has a poor resume, i'd only agree to that in quantity.. The quality of his resume is in complete contrast.. You can say that a lot of his opposition were past prime, but when you're schooling ex-champs inside of 25 pro fights, i think it means you're doing something a bit special.. R.Ruelas, LaPorte, Bramble, Grove, R.Mayweather, Chavez and Leiga were all PP imo, but not shot.. And for those who say he loses to all the top Americans, i'd pick him against Pryor and Perkins any day..

you nail it. Styles make fights. Pryor-Mayweather is a fight for the ages, but Pryor gets torched by Zoo, who has close to zero chances against Mayweather.

EDIT: how do you see the stoppage happening? Mayweather rarely looks for it...

[DeepSleep]

Corley is a southpaw, Mayweather's radar detection is a bit faulty against them since he can't employ a good portion of his usual defense. Tszyu isn't a southpaw I think he would have a hard time landing a shot like that on Floyd.

I truly think trying to time Mayweather and counter is a losing strategy. You can time fast punchers like Pacquaio who are quick but not calculated, but Mayweather doesn't give you much to counter. He gives you a very small window to counter him with his feet and how he punches and shifts so quickly. I think the best way to beat Mayweather is to either pull a Castillo and overload his defense or be a southpaw so he can't employ his full defense.

[mickey malone]

[QUOTE=wmute;8084858]you nail it. Styles make fights. Pryor-Mayweather is a fight for the ages, but Pryor gets torched by Zoo, who has close to zero chances against Mayweather.

EDIT: how do you see the stoppage happening? Mayweather rarely looks for it...[/QUOTE]
Rarely, being unless he's presented with the opportunity.. Tszyu can be a bit right hand happy, but I can't see the punch having it's normal precision and potency against a limbo dancing Mayweather, who would be Lh countering Tszyu to the body and head every time he threw it.. He may not throw a vast amount of punches, but nobody's better than PBF at landing the same punch in the same place over and over again..
Just the way I see it, Kostya stopped (probably on his feet) 11th or 12th..

[Snopkins]

Who are you trying to convince,malone? Julio Cesar Chavez was shot to bits by the time he fought Tszyu.Perhaps you missed Chavez's humiliating loss to unheralded journeyman Willy Wise just nine months previous to his loss to Tszyu.Chavez was past his prime by the time he fought Whitaker.He gradually got worse after that.


The fight with Calvin Grove was a complete mismatch.Grove hadn't won a relevant fight in years and was far too small for the division.This fight served as nothing more than a quick tune up for Tszyu.



Mayweather and bramble were nothing at this point and they both came to survive and stink the joint out in two of the worst fights that I have ever seen



Tszyu's resume is solid at best and nothing more

[The Big Dunn]

you nail it. Styles make fights. Pryor-Mayweather is a fight for the ages, but Pryor gets torched by Zoo, who has close to zero chances against Mayweather.

EDIT: how do you see the stoppage happening? Mayweather rarely looks for it...

whaaaaat? Pryor would behead Kosta. Don't forget Leonard moved up to 147 in the olympics because pryor was whoppin his a$$. thats why leonard wouldn't fight him as a pro.