Kostya Tszyu vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. @ 140

[Snopkins]

You're obviously having trouble with your reading comprehension.. My emphasis was on Tszyu beating southpaws, so you list opponents i have already listed as past prime..
Why waste time trolling posts that are beyond your understanding?

You claimed that the likes of Chavez were only past prime and not shot.I think it is you who has trouble with reading comprehension,or perhaps you are simply losing your memory and can't remember what you posted.

and that was as much due to exhaustion and coming in in ****eful condition as it was him being hurt. He didn't go down and the ref jumped in.

Sorry,but Tszyu's excuses that he wasn't in shape don't mean anything.He was simply beaten by the superior fighter.


Tyson got his arse kicked by buster Douglas,but atleast Tyson actually wanted a rematch with the man that humiliated him....unlike Tszyu.

[Titlist]

Mayweather with give Tszyu a beating.

[BennyST]

I was referring to to Zoo's right as his way to END fights, not winning them. He is an excellent boxer, with a vast array of punches, the one doing the damage is however the right hand shot from a good range. Not something you see landing on Mayweather.

As for the inside game part, sorry but Mayweather beats him at any game Zoo wants to play there. Hatton was getting manhandled and murdered with body shots as he tried all his shoving and wrestling repertoire.

Castillo and Zoo fight nothing alike. Castillo had a 9lbs advantage on Mayweather in both of their fights. Castillo had an inside game on Mayweather's level, and these are keys. Mayweather would be perfectly fine spending all night in a phone booth with Zoo, he definitely did not want to do that with a guy outweighing him by 10lbs and who happened to be the *only* other great infighter available at 35-47 in the last 10-15 years.

Castillo landed short right hands, or some very arched punches without full power. Can Zoo land some punches? Yes of course, but they won't be those be the kind of punches he does damage with. Zoo's right hand is an equalizer when given enough space.

You are right that Zoo did great against speedsters, but -unlike those guys- Mayweather is first and foremost a calculating fighter with great timing, like Zoo, but with better defense, faster and rangier. Zoo has more power in his right, but I don't see that coming into play in a chess match. The slick guys Zoo fought were simply not in his league in terms of boxing IQ. Mayweather certainly is.

I do not want to take anything away anything from Zoo, but PBF is ALL wrong for him.

Yep, cool. I know what you're saying. I just see it a bit differently. We'll agree to disagree on this one I guess.

I will say this though: Castillo didn't fight him on the inside. He fought him on the outside. He stayed at range the whole fight waiting on Mayweather. Waited, walked him down, then threw shots from mid-range or the outside. He hardly ever fought inside the whole twelve rounds. Basic shots from the outside. Right to the body, rights around the guard, over the guard, left to the body, jab etc.



That is closer (not how Tszyu fights, I know they don't fight alike, that's not my point) to what would happen and he used basic boxing the whole night. Didn't need to do a lot or use anything special. He used different types of rights to get around and through Mayweather's guard. He didn't need to bust him up or damage him or hurt him. No one is getting knocked out in this fight. I don't think Tszyu has to hurt him and land one right hand to finish it. It wouldn;t happen, I agree.

I think sometimes people overrated Mayweather's defense (wait, before someone flies off the handle, I'm not saying it's overrated but he is hittable just like any great defensive fighter) but they underrate his toughness. He gets hit. Every fight, he takes some hard shots. He never shows it though.

Hatton didn't try any of that stuff either. He clinched when inside and waited (because he's not actually a good inside fighter at all) or it was broken up before anything could happen inside. I do agree though that Mayweather's inside game is superior, but anyone's can be interrupted by certain tactics. I'm not saying they battle on the inside as that does lead to a Mayweather win easily.



I wasn't going to bother writing anymore, then I thought, "Nah, I'll just say one thing"...then it lead to another, and another. Ahh well.

PS: One thing that I find hilarious in that video. Read the description bit and you see how it says "Watch Mayweather take a beating in this fight against Castillo". I love how he is in a close fight, a fight that is closer to what most normal fights are like, and suddenly he's 'taking a beating!' He still got hit less than most guys ever do in that fight. Funny stuff.

Mayweather with give Tszyu a beating.

What?

[mickey malone]

Snopkins - You claimed that the likes of Chavez were only past prime and not shot.I think it is you who has trouble with reading comprehension,or perhaps you are simply losing your memory and can't remember what you posted.

A fighter isn't shot until he loses his punch resistence..

Chavez fought Tzsyu in 2000 when he was still ranked in the top 10.. That's why he got a tilt at the world title.. He didn't retire until 2005 so i'd don't see any point in trying to split hairs.. Unless you're trolling of course....

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Yep, cool. I know what you're saying. I just see it a bit differently. We'll agree to disagree on this one I guess.

I will say this though: Castillo didn't fight him on the inside. He fought him on the outside. He stayed at range the whole fight waiting on Mayweather. Waited, walked him down, then threw shots from mid-range or the outside. He hardly ever fought inside the whole twelve rounds. Basic shots from the outside. Right to the body, rights around the guard, over the guard, left to the body, jab etc.



That is closer (not how Tszyu fights, I know they don't fight alike, that's not my point) to what would happen and he used basic boxing the whole night. Didn't need to do a lot or use anything special. He used different types of rights to get around and through Mayweather's guard. He didn't need to bust him up or damage him or hurt him. No one is getting knocked out in this fight. I don't think Tszyu has to hurt him and land one right hand to finish it. It wouldn;t happen, I agree.

I think sometimes people overrated Mayweather's defense (wait, before someone flies off the handle, I'm not saying it's overrated but he is hittable just like any great defensive fighter) but they underrate his toughness. He gets hit. Every fight, he takes some hard shots. He never shows it though.

Hatton didn't try any of that stuff either. He clinched when inside and waited (because he's not actually a good inside fighter at all) or it was broken up before anything could happen inside. I do agree though that Mayweather's inside game is superior, but anyone's can be interrupted by certain tactics. I'm not saying they battle on the inside as that does lead to a Mayweather win easily.



I wasn't going to bother writing anymore, then I thought, "Nah, I'll just say one thing"...then it lead to another, and another. Ahh well.

PS: One thing that I find hilarious in that video. Read the description bit and you see how it says "Watch Mayweather take a beating in this fight against Castillo". I love how he is in a close fight, a fight that is closer to what most normal fights are like, and suddenly he's 'taking a beating!' He still got hit less than most guys ever do in that fight. Funny stuff.

I guess we will have to disagree. wrt to the Castillo fight two things.

1) Castillo did not force the fight to be on the inside, however it is very clear who is pushing and closing in, and who is not. That is among other things due to Mayweather not wanting an inside fight with Castillo, so he moves away, end up on the ropes and so on... With Zoo Mayweather would not have a reason to move, and in fact he should stand his ground, because Zoo does his best work with some distance. That is why I don't see Zoo being able to do what Castillo was doing that night.

2) I agree with you Castillo-Mayweather was an entertaining, competitive fight. In the eyes of idiots it becomes an ass-kicking.

Man Castillo was some fighter back then, he would give ANY style all they could ask for. And what a nightmare for boxers. Think of Mayweather, Johnston, Casamayor... they all were in for their hardest fights against JLC.

EDIT: Another fight that made me want to slap people was Jones-Tarver 1. Roy looked like **** but dug out the last 2 rounds to get the W on the scorecards of anyone who knows how to score fights. Those 2 rounds to me is a sign of a fighter's heart. Finding those extra resources. Idiots were screaming "Roy got exposed" and were instead praising Tarver for basically winning some rounds and letting go where it mattered the most.

[Snopkins]

A fighter isn't shot until he loses his punch resistence..

Chavez fought Tzsyu in 2000 when he was still ranked in the top 10.. That's why he got a tilt at the world title.. He didn't retire until 2005 so i'd don't see any point in trying to split hairs.. Unless you're trolling of course....

You're the only one who's trolling here,malone.Or perhaps you are simply demonstrating your complete ignorance on the sport of boxing like you have done many times in the past.


If you were to have bothered looking up the top ten rankings of the time,you would have found that Chavez hadn't been rated as a top ten junior welterweight since 1998.


You clearly haven't seen much of Chavez or his decline in the sport,otherwise you would have known he was washed up by the mid 90's and a shell of his former self.He was out of shape,a drug addict and it was all catching up to him.



While you're giving credit to Tszyu for beating a guy who got his arse kicked by Willy Wise,let's go ahead and give credit to every every other fighter that has a washed up great on his resume.



You have no respect for this sport.

[mickey malone]

You're the only one who's trolling here,malone.Or perhaps you are simply demonstrating your complete ignorance on the sport of boxing like you have done many times in the past.


If you were to have bothered looking up the top ten rankings of the time,you would have found that Chavez hadn't been rated as a top ten junior welterweight since 1998.


You clearly haven't seen much of Chavez or his decline in the sport,otherwise you would have known he was washed up by the mid 90's and a shell of his former self.He was out of shape,a drug addict and it was all catching up to him.



While you're giving credit to Tszyu for beating a guy who got his arse kicked by Willy Wise,let's go ahead and give credit to every every other fighter that has a washed up great on his resume.



You have no respect for this sport.

What a sad post.... And a prime example of your gutter-like behaviour on these forums..

Mid 90's to 2005 when he retired, he went 15-5-1 (9 KO) all against younger fitter fighters with winning records, Wise being one of them.. In 2003, he whooped Wise in a return, so wtf.. The facts are that the defeats were spread apart, and to some very good fighters at that.. In the meantime, Chavez remained comfortable beating class C fighters, and was as I said, was past prime and not shot.. A shot fighter loses 3 or 4 in a row you fool..

[Snopkins]

What a sad post.... And a prime example of your gutter-like behaviour on these forums..

Mid 90's to 2005 when he retired, he went 15-5-1 (9 KO) all against younger fitter fighters with winning records, Wise being one of them.. In 2003, he whooped Wise in a return, so wtf.. The facts are that the defeats were spread apart, and to some very good fighters at that.. In the meantime, Chavez remained comfortable beating class C fighters, and was as I said, was past prime and not shot.. A shot fighter loses 3 or 4 in a row you fool..

Wise was a bum,malone.Chavez would have ripped him apart in his prime but he got his arse kicked and embarrassed.


You're obviously trolling or simply ignorant of Chavez and his career.His decline was there for all to see in the mid 90's.



Chavez was shot,no longer world class and not in the top ten as you claimed.


You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now.Your ego is so big that you refuse to admit that you're wrong.

[mickey malone]

Snopkins - Wise was a bum,malone.Chavez would have ripped him apart in his prime but he got his arse kicked and embarrassed.

He didn't last 2 rounds with Chavez in 2003, and you claim Chavez was shot in the mid-90's..

[Snopkins]

He didn't last 2 rounds with Chavez in 2003, and you claim Chavez was shot in the mid-90's..

Just give it up,malone.You're wrong and you know you are.


Wise was stopped on a cut and it doesn't erase the fact that he kicked Chavez's arse before Tszyu ever got him.Wise had no talent and yet he dominated Chavez.The same Chavez who you are trying to argue was a good win for Tszyu.