Kostya Tszyu vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. @ 140

[BennyST]

Yeah, I would take Floyd but not nearly by the margin people are saying. tszyu has become absurdly underrated by most guys here. I would take a prime Tszyu as being the guy that fought Jake Rodriguez, Jan Bergman or later Diobelys Hurtado etc. and if you think he was slow and plodding, well, I don't know what to say but laugh.

He would be a harder fight for Mayweather than anyone has been so far in my opinion. I don't think he would win but he would get closer than most, and he definitely has a very good chance.

The Tszyu that fought Judah had already slowed quite a bit and was not a prime example.

This is a prime example.

[sonnyboyx2]

Mayweather via TKO9

[CarlosG815]

Yeah, I would take Floyd but not nearly by the margin people are saying. tszyu has become absurdly underrated by most guys here. I would take a prime Tszyu as being the guy that fought Jake Rodriguez, Jan Bergman or later Diobelys Hurtado etc. and if you think he was slow and plodding, well, I don't know what to say but laugh.

He would be a harder fight for Mayweather than anyone has been so far in my opinion. I don't think he would win but he would get closer than most, and he definitely has a very good chance.

The Tszyu that fought Judah had already slowed quite a bit and was not a prime example.

This is a prime example.

I honestly don't think Tszyu could beat any American greats. I'm sure he's a hero where you're from, but he is not going to come close to being competitive with the greatest fighter in boxing today.

[BennyST]

I honestly don't think Tszyu could beat any American greats. I'm sure he's a hero where you're from, but he is not going to come close to being competitive with the greatest fighter in boxing today.

who's a wanker?

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Yeah, I would take Floyd but not nearly by the margin people are saying. tszyu has become absurdly underrated by most guys here. I would take a prime Tszyu as being the guy that fought Jake Rodriguez, Jan Bergman or later Diobelys Hurtado etc. and if you think he was slow and plodding, well, I don't know what to say but laugh.

He would be a harder fight for Mayweather than anyone has been so far in my opinion. I don't think he would win but he would get closer than most, and he definitely has a very good chance.

The Tszyu that fought Judah had already slowed quite a bit and was not a prime example.

This is a prime example.

Benny I disagree... the style matchup is ALL wrong for Zoo IMO

1)
Zoo's money punch? Straight right.
easiest punch to defend from and counter from Mayweather's typical stance? Straight right.

2) Inside fighting? it's all Mayweather.

1+2 Zoo needs to win a boxing match (KO is unlikely see point 1) ) on outside or midrange (Zoo does not want it on the inside).

Can he? I doubt it.

I see Mayweather getting a UD as Zoo gets more and more discouraged throughout the fight.
Zoo does not look outclassed, because Mayweather is far from ****** and would give him all the respect Zoo should get by any fighter around his weight, but -given styles- I just don't see a way Zoo can get the W here.

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This is a prime example.

hadnt seen this one in a while, always a pleasure.

[CarlosG815]

I see Mayweather getting a UD as Zoo gets more and more discouraged throughout the fight.

I agree with most of what you said, but I feel Floyd KO's Kostya. His defense isn't very good, as we saw in the Ricky Hatton fight (albeit, he was a little past prime, but he still should have been able to deal a guy like Hatton if he was as great as Benny believes). His offense would be useless against Floyd. I see Floyd landing 70% of his shots, and Kostya, while he throws twice as many as Floyd, only lands 15-20%.

He's tired out in the mid to late rounds and Floyd puts him on his back, or he doesn't get up from the stool, Hatton style.

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I agree with most of what you said, but I feel Floyd KO's Kostya. His defense isn't very good, as we saw in the Ricky Hatton fight (albeit, he was a little past prime, but he still should have been able to deal a guy like Hatton if he was as great as Benny believes). His offense would be useless against Floyd. I see Floyd landing 70% of his shots, and Kostya, while he throws twice as many as Floyd, only lands 15-20%.

He's tired out in the mid to late rounds and Floyd puts him on his back, or he doesn't get up from the stool, Hatton style.

I don't see Mayweather actively going for the stoppage against the hardest puncher 140 ever saw. Like I said, he is far from ******. Unless Zoo keeps coming and offers the right openings, Mayweather will be happy to win on points. Mayweather rarely pushes the issue unless he is forced to (Hatton, Chavez, who just kept coming) or the opponent does not belong in the ring with him (anyone in '03-'05). Even in the Corrales fight, he was not looking for the stoppage.

How do you know Zoo was "a little" past his prime against Hatton? Not saying he was not, but he might also be "well" past it, being that he was 36yo and with only 2 rounds in a few years under the belt.

How does defending from Hatton's wrestling has anything to do with defending from Mayweather? Again not saying Zoo is Pea, but how is the Hatton fight relevant?

How do you see Zoo throwing "twice as many punches"? It's not quite his style.

[Snopkins]

I don't see many underrating Tszyu.I do however see most overrating him and his legacy.He has a fairly weak resume for a man regarded as highly as he is.He spent his entire career in a dead division rather than move up in class in both weight and quality of opposition.


It's rare to see such a gifted amateur progressively get worse in each professional fight.He did show some class early on in his career,but he became slower and more predictable through each fight it seemed.



It's very rare to see a world class fighter lose to a guy,who really had no business beating him in the first place,continue his career as if nothing every happened and then show no interest whatsoever in avenging such a crushing loss.




Not so sure what's so impressive about Jake Rodriguez.This guy was the Carlos Maussa of his era.

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I don't see many underrating Tszyu.I do however see most overrating him and his legacy.He has a fairly weak resume for a man regarded as highly as he is.He spent his entire career in a dead division rather than move up in class in both weight and quality of opposition.

I agree, people like him and Hopkins are quite overrated.

It's rare to see such a gifted amateur progressively get worse in each professional fight.He did show some class early on in his career,but he became slower and more predictable through each fight it seemed.

Aussie trainers will do that to you (sorry Benny, I do not mean it literally, but Zoo came from a great am program to a not so great pro scene). I don't think he deteriorated so much as he did not improve as he could have

It's very rare to see a world class fighter lose to a guy,who really had no business beating him in the first place,continue his career as if nothing every happened and then show no interest whatsoever in avenging such a crushing loss.

Yeah, I hear you on that one.

Not so sure what's so impressive about Jake Rodriguez.This guy was the Carlos Maussa of his era.

You are right, but he was out of there in two. I don't think Benny was posting it for greatness, just to show what Zoo looked early on in his career.