Kostya Tszyu vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. @ 140

[mickey malone]

Just give it up,malone.You're wrong and you know you are.


Wise was stopped on a cut and it doesn't erase the fact that he kicked Chavez's arse before Tszyu ever got him.Wise had no talent and yet he dominated Chavez.The same Chavez who you are trying to argue was a good win for Tszyu.

Nope, I was discussing Tszyu's resume against southpaws, and had listed other wins against past primer's when you rudely interrupted by going off topic and bringing one of Chavez's opponents into it.. Seeya

[Snopkins]

Nope, I was discussing Tszyu's resume against southpaws, and had listed other wins against past primer's when you rudely interrupted by going off topic and bringing one of Chavez's opponents into it.. Seeya

Did you or did you not make this post

.. R.Ruelas, LaPorte, Bramble, Grove, R.Mayweather, Chavez and Leiga were all PP imo, but not shot.

Just be a man and admit that you were wrong,malone.

[mickey malone]

Did you or did you not make this post






Just be a man and admit that you were wrong,malone.

Don't be shy, copy the whole post.. That way, everyone can see that i write intelligent factual posts, and you are nothing but a sad troll..

Chavez KO'd his next opponent in 2 rounds - Terry Thomas who was a light-heavyweight with a 31-4-2 record.. Shot welterweights arn't suppose to do this are they?

[Snopkins]

Don't be shy, copy the whole post.. That way, everyone can see that i write intelligent factual posts, and you are nothing but a sad troll..

Chavez KO'd his next opponent in 2 rounds - Terry Thomas who was a light-heavyweight with a 31-4-2 record.. Shot welterweights arn't suppose to do this are they?

You're the only one trolling.You're trying to give Tszyu credit for beating a shot Chavez.


Records matter in boxing now do they? Who's Terry Thomas?



Notice how your online mates haven't come to defend you? They know that you're wrong and there is no way to defend such a ****** claim that Chavez wasn't shot when he was thirty eight years old and after getting his arse kicked by Willy Wise.

[geribeetus]

Chavez KO'd his next opponent in 2 rounds - Terry Thomas who was a light-heavyweight with a 31-4-2 record.. Shot welterweights arn't suppose to do this are they?

honestly i think jcc was past it as early as the whitaker fight. maybe that's just me speaking as a fan of chavez, but considering how many fights he'd already been in, and a good number of them weren't exactly easy, i believe it. 38 is way too old for someone who fought like chavez.

[mickey malone]

honestly i think jcc was past it as early as the whitaker fight. maybe that's just me speaking as a fan of chavez, but considering how many fights he'd already been in, and a good number of them weren't exactly easy, i believe it. 38 is way too old for someone who fought like chavez.

I'd say that was the fight where he lost his eliteness, but surely wasn't passed it against a prime Whitaker.. Going 80 odd and O, then being out-smarted by one of the trickiest southpaws in history, doesn't mean to say you're finished..
38 is way too old for a lighter boxer, but while he's still competetive he isn't shot..
Arguments could be made that Ali was shot when he fought Spinks, but by losing and winning to one of the poorest champs in history, he cemented his greatness.. If Tszyu was the same calibre of fighter as Leon Spinks, then Chavez would have beaten him, and everyone would be calling him 'The Greatest'..
I refuse to accept that a SHOT fighter can remain competetive at any level for 5 years or more.. I know this is only an opinion, but SHOT means THE END.. Past prime and way past prime, does not mean SHOT..

[mickey malone]

You're the only one trolling.You're trying to give Tszyu credit for beating a shot Chavez.


Records matter in boxing now do they? Who's Terry Thomas?



Notice how your online mates haven't come to defend you? They know that you're wrong and there is no way to defend such a ****** claim that Chavez wasn't shot when he was thirty eight years old and after getting his arse kicked by Willy Wise.

And why would I need defending against forum prat?

[check hook]

Yep, cool. I know what you're saying. I just see it a bit differently. We'll agree to disagree on this one I guess.

I will say this though: Castillo didn't fight him on the inside. He fought him on the outside. He stayed at range the whole fight waiting on Mayweather. Waited, walked him down, then threw shots from mid-range or the outside. He hardly ever fought inside the whole twelve rounds. Basic shots from the outside. Right to the body, rights around the guard, over the guard, left to the body, jab etc.



That is closer (not how Tszyu fights, I know they don't fight alike, that's not my point) to what would happen and he used basic boxing the whole night. Didn't need to do a lot or use anything special. He used different types of rights to get around and through Mayweather's guard. He didn't need to bust him up or damage him or hurt him. No one is getting knocked out in this fight. I don't think Tszyu has to hurt him and land one right hand to finish it. It wouldn;t happen, I agree.

I think sometimes people overrated Mayweather's defense (wait, before someone flies off the handle, I'm not saying it's overrated but he is hittable just like any great defensive fighter) but they underrate his toughness. He gets hit. Every fight, he takes some hard shots. He never shows it though.

Hatton didn't try any of that stuff either. He clinched when inside and waited (because he's not actually a good inside fighter at all) or it was broken up before anything could happen inside. I do agree though that Mayweather's inside game is superior, but anyone's can be interrupted by certain tactics. I'm not saying they battle on the inside as that does lead to a Mayweather win easily.



I wasn't going to bother writing anymore, then I thought, "Nah, I'll just say one thing"...then it lead to another, and another. Ahh well.

PS: One thing that I find hilarious in that video. Read the description bit and you see how it says "Watch Mayweather take a beating in this fight against Castillo". I love how he is in a close fight, a fight that is closer to what most normal fights are like, and suddenly he's 'taking a beating!' He still got hit less than most guys ever do in that fight. Funny stuff.




What?

Good observation. People think he is somehow china chinned or will wilt to a sustained attack......it's just not true......he never shows any weakness in the ring.........Castillo hit him to the body with regularity and he didn't show any sign it hurt.....but it would have.......Corley buzzed him real good a couple of times with shots he didn't see.......he composed himself very quicky and showed no weakness again.......

****m Richardson is very smart.....as was Billy Graham (even though Hatton couldn't pull it off) they are/were both telling their fighters not to underestimate Floyds physical strength.........

[elgaringo]

I think a 1998 version of tszyu against the one that fought Caslillo would have had a good chance of pulling it off. At that point Mayweather had'nt build the strenghth out of the super feather division. I think it would have been a close affair with mayweather possibly nicking it.

Although, you put a 1998 tszyu in with a 2008 mayweather thats a different story altogether. he's just got better as the years have gone on!!!

[Snopkins]

I refuse to accept that a SHOT fighter can remain competetive at any level for 5 years or more.. I know this is only an opinion, but SHOT means THE END.. Past prime and way past prime, does not mean SHOT..

He wasn't competitive at a world class level anymore,malone.How many more times will I have to explain this to you?


He wasn't ranked and he got beat by a bum in Willy Wise.


Your opinion is wrong.