Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[knn]

You can go on believing Joe Frazier's excuses in his book.

Yeah, you know what? I guess everyone here will rather believe Frazier and his trainer... than a 53-year-old who calls himself "boy".

I know 10 times more about Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier then you do in your dreams.

Oh, so noone (except a few chosen CLAYtons) is worthy of a discussion? Typical CLAYton arrogance.

I know 10 times more about Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier then you do in your dreams. The same goes with the sport of boxing.

And "the same goes with boys"?

If you even dream you know more about Muhammad Ali,Joe Frazier,and boxing than me you should wake up and apolagize!!

OK, I "apolagize". Whatever that means.

JAB also makes you look silly.

By what exactly? By writing "This is such a crap post I don't even think I should respond."

CLAYton pats CLAYton. How convenient..
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...47#post5610947

I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing for 44 years!

Yup, I thought so. Childhood delusion.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...30#post5564630

Are you also from the USA?

I have film on every fighter I can get my hands on. I have read everything I can get my hands on,including Joe Frazier's book you keep qouting from,Lol...I've heard and read everything you have said.So save your breath.I admit you do make me laugh,... ,and qouting out of Joe Frazier's book and posting from it and acting as if your telling me something I don't know,Lol...Your good for a laugh,Lol

Then laugh. It won't help you against obvious facts (= Liston was cruiser-bum-beater, Frazier was a handicap etc...)

especially getting schooled by JAB

Did I miss something? Tell me how JAB schooled me. By "not responding"? Yeah, that will convince me as much as "banning".

[lianpeng]

Thanks to share this information

[boxing boy]

Yeah, you know what? I guess everyone here will rather believe Frazier and his trainer... than a 53-year-old who calls himself "boy".


Oh, so noone (except a few chosen CLAYtons) is worthy of a discussion? Typical CLAYton arrogance.


And "the same goes with boys"?


OK, I "apolagize". Whatever that means.


By what exactly? By writing "This is such a crap post I don't even think I should respond."

CLAYton pats CLAYton. How convenient..
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...47#post5610947


Yup, I thought so. Childhood delusion.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...30#post5564630

Are you also from the USA?


Then laugh. It won't help you against obvious facts (= Liston was cruiser-bum-beater, Frazier was a handicap etc...)


Did I miss something? Tell me how JAB schooled me. By "not responding"? Yeah, that will convince me as much as "banning".

I don't think your aware of all of Joe Frazier's excuses outside of his book?

Are you old enough to remember what Frazier said after his second fight with Muhammad Ali?

Right after the fight Frazier said he thought won the fight.Only a hand full of people agree with him.Ali clearly won the second fight.Then Frazier told the press that he thought he won all 12 rounds!! WHAT? I don't know if your old enough to remember this? It was on telivision,and in all the boxing magazines they had back then in 1974.Yes,Frazier said he thought he was robbed,and won all 12 rounds! Lol, Of course he also believes he won 12 rounds in his first fight with Muhammad Ali,Lol

Then the excuses why he lost the 3rd fight.Frazier has said many times that he thought he was ahead after 14 rounds when his corner stopped the fight.The judges had Ali clearly ahead.Just like the judges in the second fight had Ali clearly winning.The scoring of the 2nd fight was 8-4,7-4-1,and 6-5-1.But Smokey Joe said he won all 12 rounds! Frazier has said he believes he won all 3 fights against Muhammad Ali,Lol

You can go right ahead and believe Joe Frazier and all of his excuses,Lol..Remember,Muhammad Ali beat Joe Frazier after his 3 1/2 year lay-off,and 8 years after his Prime!! That is what should be talked about,not all of Joe Frazier's excuses. You can also go ahead and believe George Foreman and all of his excuses.He said he was drugged.He said he lost because the ropes were loose.He said he lost because of the heat(Like Ali didn't have to fight in the heat,Lol).He said he lost because of a short count.I timed it and he was down 12 seconds.You can go right ahead and make yourself look like as much a fool as George Foreman,Lol

You can go right ahead and say Liston was way past his prime and was real old.Did you ever stop and think that Ali was only 22 years old and 3 years BEFORE his prime of 1967! Ali only had 19 pro fights when he fought and beat Liston! But go ahead believing all your excuses.

I have a new name for you....The excuse man.

That is what I will call you from now on.The excuse man.

Next post I will inform you of more facts and information that you are not aware of,excuse man.

[knn]

Are you old enough to remember what Frazier said after his second fight with Muhammad Ali?

Completely offtopic. Moreover never believe what boxers claim about their performances or their opponents' performances. When Ali claims "X hit me harder than Y" then it's probably a fantasy opinion, too. It's like Prince claiming "Oh, that night I danced better than Michael Jackson". Completely worthless adrenaline-based statement. But if someone makes a fact statement ("I had an accident 1964 and my left eye went blind") then it's not some adrenaline-based opinion. If you disagree with Frazier's statement then _YOU_ need to _prove_ that it's wrong.

I have a new name for you....The excuse man.

I never used any excuses unlike you who calls Frazier a liar to support your own bias. I guess _you_ should call yourself "excuse man" or rather "excuse boy". Moreover: How do you know I am not a woman?

This is by the way the MAIN strategy CLAYtons have: To constantly upvalue Ali's opponents... and hope nobody actually WATCHES these old black/white fights or checks anyone's records. It's obvious for everybody that Jimmy Young was a bum. Only CLAYtons need to upvalue Young. It's obvious for everybody that Liston was mainly a cruiser-bum beater. It's obvious that Spinks was a bum. And it's obvious that we should accept that Frazier was half-blind his entire pro career. Only CLAYtons like you don't want to admit, that Ali had 3 tough fights against A FEATHERFISTED HANDICAP.

It's immediately CLEAR for ANYBODY (who is not a CLAYton) that these "chickenbreast boys"




HAVE NOTHING TO DO with the superheavyweights we see nowadays.

It's obvious. All your excuses and arguments end right there.

And when you imagine that the Cassius Clay (when this picture was taken) OUTWEIGHED 60% of his opponents then you know that these wins are meaningless when calculating his chances against modern superheavies.

Ali's legitimate heavyweight record (both opponents 200+) is 28-4.
Wlad: 54-3

And that is still misleading because Wlad has not fought a single opponent lower than 210 (except Eddie Chambers and Exum Speight).

Ali's 215+ record is 10-1 (including half-blind Frazier, bum Wepner, 3-year-layoff'ed Mathis, and featherfist Bugner).
Liston: 4-0
Shavers: 4-1
Norton: 5-2

Wlad scored 41 KOs (within 12 rounds in 215+ fights) and Ali scored... TWO.

The only reason why people delude themselves that Ali is in the same league like Wlad is because the governing bodies MADE A MISTAKE by introducing a completely new division (200+) while calling it like the old division (175+). Had they called it "Megaweight" (or whatever) we wouldn't even have these "Ali vs Wlad" discussions here because everyone would know "Ali is a heavyweight and Wlad is a megaweight".

But because of this "term mix-up" you compare modern superheavies with some ex-lightheavyweights. And everyone who takes a look at these pictures KNOWS IT.

[GJC]

This is by the way the MAIN strategy CLAYtons have: To constantly upvalue Ali's opponents... and hope nobody actually WATCHES these old black/white fights or checks anyone's records.

Well I wouldn't compare Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Shavers etc etc against Chagaev or Peter
Its a bit like fillet steak and T bone steak I know which is better but T bone usually weighs more.
Bit more to boxing than numbers on a page you know but have to be honest i'd rather follow a Valuev's career via boxingrec.

[knn]

Bit more to boxing than numbers on a page you know but have to be honest i'd rather follow a Valuev's career via boxingrec.

I never claimed Valuev is entertaining. I'd rather watch Frazier than Valuev.

[StarshipTrooper]

I never claimed Valuev is entertaining. I'd rather watch Frazier than Valuev.

When you're done obsessing on weight (no doubt with your pants around your ankles), please let us know so we can finally bump you up a grade in that special ed class ******s like you have to attend......you're lagging behind the Downs kids ffs.

PS. Cruiserweight is a bogus division that shouldn't exist so please refraim making ******ed claims that Heavyweights are "Cruiserweights".

PPS. Wlad looks like a spastic.

PPPS. Don't give me that "Dr." crap either: Degrees from Soviet universities are about the equivalent of a passing the 4th. grade in the US......seriously, those degrees are only good for wiping your ass with.

PPPPS. You could write down the entirety of your boxing knowledge on the back of a postage stamp. Phony manipulated statistics about irrelivancies are nothing less than something less than nothing at all.

That is all.

Poet

[Obama]

Not sure anyone mentioned this, but in general Super Sized Heavyweights suck. It's pretty much the exception, not the rule, when they turn out good. It's harder to move effectively when you have a lot of mass to carry around. Also p4p your body doesn't take damage/stress/strain nearly as well.

[knn]

@ mmm...ham ad

Learn how to quote. Noone will bother to read through or even answer your posts when he has to decipher your text.

And stop using bold font to emphasize your importance.

[knn]

When you're done obsessing on weight (no doubt with your pants around your ankles), please let us know so we can finally bump you up a grade in that special ed class ******s like you have to attend......you're lagging behind the Downs kids ffs.

PS. Cruiserweight is a bogus division that shouldn't exist so please refraim making ******ed claims that Heavyweights are "Cruiserweights".

PPS. Wlad looks like a spastic.

PPPS. Don't give me that "Dr." crap either: Degrees from Soviet universities are about the equivalent of a passing the 4th. grade in the US......seriously, those degrees are only good for wiping your ass with.

PPPPS. You could write down the entirety of your boxing knowledge on the back of a postage stamp. Phony manipulated statistics about irrelivancies are nothing less than something less than nothing at all.

That is all.

Poet

Pure hater's gold! I love it. And I appreciate your efforts to keep your posts as fact-free as possible.

But what really did convince me was the pinky color! Seriously!