Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[Vadrigar.]

Quite amusing to me that people think the Klitschkos would stand a chance against the greatest of all-time. Ali would've dominated both. Foreman would've knocked their heads off. Do people actually watch the older fights before commenting or just base it off video games or something?

Lennox Lewis, known/believed to have a bad chin, who was clearly losing badly to Vitali in the first couple rounds of their fight, managed to turn the tide and seemed on his way to stopping Vitali by true KO had cuts not stopped the fight. Had Lewis rematched Vitali, I think it's apparent Lewis would've won in dominating fashion, and a fight with Wlad would've been over fairly quickly.

The Klitschkos are certainly good fighters, the best of their "era." There's still little evidence for the case of the Klitschkos being the best heavyweights of all-time. If Ross Purrity, LEMON Brewster, and Corrie Sanders figured out how to whip Wlad, I'm pretty sure guys like Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, and Tyson would figure something out.

Seriously, Foreman would knock both their heads clear off their shoulders, and possibly their shoulders off their bodies with those uber telegraphed hooks of his. Wlad wouldn't make it out of the first 3 rounds. The much more durable Vitali would only last 7-8 at most I think.

[frankenfrank]

People on here who say that Sonny Liston only beat alot of bums no nothing about boxing and boxing history.

I suggest you get some film on Liston and watch some of his fights(In full,not just highlights) and then come back on here and post again.

Sonny Liston "cleaned out" a very good Heavyweight division before destroying Patterson.

If Liston fought todays supersized heavyweights I would precict one thing........Tiiiiiimmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrr!!

One of your worst posts so far , maybe the worst.
Patterson was the best fighter Liston ever defeated , and the rest were fighters whom usually , not always defeated bums , which made them just a little better than just bums , they were bum beaters whom sometimes failed against bums . Liston's HW division was weaker than Marciano's , one of th weakest ever. Maybe Sullivan's or Burn's or Mitchell's was weaker maybe not.

[boxing boy]

One of your worst posts so far , maybe the worst.
Patterson was the best fighter Liston ever defeated , and the rest were fighters whom usually , not always defeated bums , which made them just a little better than just bums , they were bum beaters whom sometimes failed against bums . Liston's HW division was weaker than Marciano's , one of th weakest ever. Maybe Sullivan's or Burn's or Mitchell's was weaker maybe not.

Wrong again,Patterson was not the best fighter Liston beat.

Liston cleaned out the Heavyweight division,while Patterson ducked and avoided good fighters that Liston destroyed.

There were alot of good Heavyweights when Liston and Patterson fought.Liston just made them look bad,while Floyd just avoided them.You know nothing about boxing when you say Liston just beat bums.The fighters Liston beat in his Prime,before he destroyed Patterson were far from bums and much better than the bums that Joe Louis fought.

I suggest you read up on boxing history,and read up on fighters before calling them bums.Then get some film on these fighters and watch some of there fights before you open your mouth and insert your foot.

What fights of "the opponents" that Liston destroyed did you watch? And whom were they against? Then,what fights of Sonny Liston did you watch from 1958 to 1962? And give your take on how these fights went,and what color of trunks did each fighter wear?

[knn]

Why not mention Cleveland Williams? Probably because he could also KO today's big heavyweights?

Because Cleveland Williams (210+, 6'3'') is NOT supersized.

Are you aware how good Cleveland Williams was?

I am aware how good CLAYtons think he was.

Are you aware of his awesome punching power? You are aware of his murderous left hook? He hit almost as hard as Ernie Shavers, who himself could hit harder than today's big heavyweights!!

There we go again. CLAYtons can ONLY function if they upgrade past boxers to some hyperpunch machines.

Shavers had a 60%+ KOratio against 200+ opponents.

Cleveland Williams has a 50%+ KOratio against 200+ opponents. That's like Chris Byrd's EXCEPT THAT Williams' MEDIAN KOvictim is 20-30 lbs lighter than Byrd's AND Williams' KOvictim has a median career record of 9-9 = BUM.

Sonny Liston twice destroyed Cleveland Williams in brutal affairs.Williams weighed 210 & 215 lbs,but could punch harder than today's big heavyweights.

I would believe you if it was in his record. But it isn't. You tried to convince me with the typical CLAYton fantasies ("He would shatter Wlad's head" and "Everybody knows how great Williams was") but a short look at his FACTUAL record disproves you.

For good reason you wanted Williams to not be listed.

Indeed.

Watch Sonny Liston fight rugged Wayne Bethea,and knock out his teeth with a LEFT JAB!!

Did you just list a 28-18 bum (20%+ KOratio) as a proof for something?

Watch Liston destroy Mike DeJohn,the hardest punching white heavyweight in the world.

*knock*knock* DeJohn was 6'2.5''. Hardly "supersized".

Watch Liston Destroy Nino Valdez(211lbs)the former #1 contender.

Yeah, Valdez, who started at 170+ lbs will surely underline Liston chances against modern heavies.

Remember,Liston had the "reach" of Today's big fighters! But a more powerfull jab!

Yup, came in handy in KOing cruiser bums.

Let me specify: KOing featherfisty cruiser-bums.

Liston was stronger and hit as hard as Shavers and Foreman!

Of course he did... in CLAYton's fantasyland.

I see you believe Joe Frazier's excuse of having to fight with one eye? Why in the early and middle rounds of the Trill'a in Manilla he had no problem seeing? Lol...It was in the "late rounds" when his eyes were swelling shut from Muhammad Ali's punches that he had trouble seeing?

Frazier was blind on his left eye his entire pro career. After Ali made his eyes swell he was nearly completely blind.

The rest of your post is offtopic ("Ali fighting blind" etc).

Again your post underlined that there is nobody on Liston's record that compares to modern supersized heavies. Thus again you nicely underlined that CLAYtons live in la-la-land by claiming "Tiiiiiimmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrr!!" and other fantasies.

[JAB5239]

Because Cleveland Williams (210+, 6'3'') is NOT supersized.


I am aware how good CLAYtons think he was.


There we go again. CLAYtons can ONLY function if they upgrade past boxers to some hyperpunch machines.

Shavers had a 60%+ KOratio against 200+ opponents.

Cleveland Williams has a 50%+ KOratio against 200+ opponents. That's like Chris Byrd's EXCEPT THAT Williams' MEDIAN KOvictim is 20-30 lbs lighter than Byrd's AND Williams' KOvictim has a median career record of 9-9 = BUM.


I would believe you if it was in his record. But it isn't. You tried to convince me with the typical CLAYton fantasies ("He would shatter Wlad's head" and "Everybody knows how great Williams was") but a short look at his FACTUAL record disproves you.


Indeed.


Did you just list a 28-18 bum (20%+ KOratio) as a proof for something?


*knock*knock* DeJohn was 6'2.5''. Hardly "supersized".


Yeah, Valdez, who started at 170+ lbs will surely underline Liston chances against modern heavies.


Yup, came in handy in KOing cruiser bums.

Let me specify: KOing featherfisty cruiser-bums.


Of course he did... in CLAYton's fantasyland.


Frazier was blind on his left eye his entire pro career. After Ali made his eyes swell he was nearly completely blind.

The rest of your post is offtopic ("Ali fighting blind" etc).

Again your post underlined that there is nobody on Liston's record that compares to modern supersized heavies. Thus again you nicely underlined that CLAYtons live in la-la-land by claiming "Tiiiiiimmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrr!!" and other fantasies.

This is such a crap post I don't even think I should respond. But the hell with it, I'll just point out one thing. Both Sanders and Brewster were 6'4" and 6'2" at about 225 respectively when they knocked out "supersize" Wlad. Hardly "supersized" themselves. Neither have even close to the boxing skills of a Frazier, Liston or Cleveland Williams. Just thought I'd point that out.

[knn]

This is such a crap post I don't even think I should respond.

Typical CLAYton maneuvre.

But the hell with it, I'll just point out one thing. Both Sanders and Brewster were 6'4" and 6'2"

Welcome on my list, you have reached the last stage ("Corrie Sanders anyone?"): http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...58#post5440358

[JAB5239]

Typical CLAYton maneuvre.


Welcome on my list, you have reached the last stage ("Corrie Sanders anyone?"): http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...58#post5440358

You're an obvious hater and can't logically refute what I've written. Your agenda is clear.

[boxing boy]

Because Cleveland Williams (210+, 6'3'') is NOT supersized.


I am aware how good CLAYtons think he was.


There we go again. CLAYtons can ONLY function if they upgrade past boxers to some hyperpunch machines.

Shavers had a 60%+ KOratio against 200+ opponents.

Cleveland Williams has a 50%+ KOratio against 200+ opponents. That's like Chris Byrd's EXCEPT THAT Williams' MEDIAN KOvictim is 20-30 lbs lighter than Byrd's AND Williams' KOvictim has a median career record of 9-9 = BUM.


I would believe you if it was in his record. But it isn't. You tried to convince me with the typical CLAYton fantasies ("He would shatter Wlad's head" and "Everybody knows how great Williams was") but a short look at his FACTUAL record disproves you.


Indeed.


Did you just list a 28-18 bum (20%+ KOratio) as a proof for something?


*knock*knock* DeJohn was 6'2.5''. Hardly "supersized".


Yeah, Valdez, who started at 170+ lbs will surely underline Liston chances against modern heavies.


Yup, came in handy in KOing cruiser bums.

Let me specify: KOing featherfisty cruiser-bums.


Of course he did... in CLAYton's fantasyland.


Frazier was blind on his left eye his entire pro career. After Ali made his eyes swell he was nearly completely blind.

The rest of your post is offtopic ("Ali fighting blind" etc).

Again your post underlined that there is nobody on Liston's record that compares to modern supersized heavies. Thus again you nicely underlined that CLAYtons live in la-la-land by claiming "Tiiiiiimmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrr!!" and other fantasies.

You lost what little credibility you had when stating Joe Frazier was blind on his left eye his ENTIRE pro career.Boy,you really don't have a clue,do you?

This shows you know nothing about boxers and boxing history.

I could pick apart your post and show what a real moron you are,and lack of boxing knowledge you have,but I would just be wasting my time with a moron such as yourself.

BTW-The Tiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeeerrrr! comment was just a joke.This is what Muhammad Ali predicted if he would fight Wilt Chamberlain.And he was just making a joke.If you do not know,there were real makings of a fight between Muhammad Ali and Wilt Chamberlain back in 1966/67.They even came face to face in a studio on Wide World of Sports.Years later Ali was asked what would have happened if he would have fought Wilt Chamberlain(7'1",300lbs)and he made a joke saying Timber.Everybody laughed,and that's what I was doing,just kidding around.

I won't waste my time responding to the rest of your nonsense,someone that is boxing incompetent.

[knn]

You lost what little credibility you had when stating Joe Frazier was blind on his left eye his ENTIRE pro career.Boy,you really don't have a clue,do you?

He was half-blind but kept it a secret. He revealed it after he retired. He would pass the medical exams by covering the blind eye (left eye) and then switching his hands to cover the left eye again.

He was blind since 1964 and started pro boxing in 1965. That's his entire career.

Frazier, when asked how long he'd had trouble with his left eye... says since 1964! With only he and trainer Eddie Futch knowing he was practically a one eyed fighter after suffering a training accident in the mid-1960s, Frazier had boxed with just one good eye. How did he do it? "My fights didn't last too long," Joe explained.

Get over it: Ali couldn't properly handle a handicap. Let me specify: A handicapped featherfisted dwarf (5'11', 200+ lbs KOratio lower than Chris Byrd).

This trilogy (and many other fights of Ali) would be proof nowadays of how the division sucks.

This shows you know nothing about boxers and boxing history.

One of the typical CLAYtons' accusations "You know nothing about boxing" or "How can you call yourself a boxing fan?". Heard it all before.

I could pick apart your post and show what a real moron you are,and lack of boxing knowledge you have,but I would just be wasting my time with a moron such as yourself.

Again a typical excuse "I won't bother to answer" or "This is a joke, isn't it?". You CLAYtons sound like brainwashed clones.

BTW-The Tiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeeerrrr! comment was just a joke.This is what Muhammad Ali predicted if he would fight Wilt Chamberlain.

Tell me something new. And the way how you cite Ali underlines my theory that CLAYtons believe that Ali was the greatest BECAUSE HE SAID SO. Wake up, you have been fooled by a trashtalker.

I won't waste my time responding to the rest of your nonsense,someone that is boxing incompetent.

This is the difference between me and CLAYtons. I think that CLAYtons are incompetent but I answer their posts anyway. I don't claim "You know nothing" or "This is below my dignity to answer".

But let me at least thank you for supplying me with a few quotes for my anti-CLAYton website. I love it when CLAYtons go into their typical "excuse 'n insult mode".

[boxing boy]

He was half-blind but kept it a secret. He revealed it after he retired. He would pass the medical exams by covering the blind eye (left eye) and then switching his hands to cover the left eye again.

Get over it: Ali couldn't properly handle a handicap. Let me specify: A handicapped featherfisted dwarf (5'11', 200+ lbs KOratio lower than Chris Byrd).

This trilogy (and many other fights of Ali) would be proof nowadays of how the division sucks.


One of the typical CLAYtons' accusations "You know nothing about boxing" or "How can you call yourself a boxing fan?". Heard it all before.


Again a typical excuse "I won't bother to answer" or "This is a joke, isn't it?". You CLAYtons sound like brainwashed clones.


Tell me something new. And the way how you cite Ali underlines my theory that CLAYtons believe that Ali was the greatest BECAUSE HE SAID SO. Wake up, you have been fooled by a trashtalker.


This is the difference between me and CLAYtons. I think that CLAYtons are incompetent but I answer their posts anyway. I don't claim "You know nothing" or "This is below my dignity to answer".

But let me at least thank you for supplying me with a few quotes for my anti-CLAYton website. I love it when CLAYtons go into their typical "excuse 'n insult mode".

I have forgotten more about Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier than you know.

Joe Frazier had a cataract in one eye LATE in his career.It did not effect his vision in the Trilla' in Manilla'.It was his eyes swelling and closing from Ali's punches that gave him trouble seeing in the LATE rounds of the fight.You can go on and keep making excuses,LOL You can go on believing Joe Frazier's excuses in his book.He sure seemed to be seeing well in the early and middle rounds.Joe Frazier did not keep anything a "secret" as you speculate,Lol Keep believing what Smokey Joe said in his book 10 years after the fact.I refuse to talk to anyone about anything else they have to say if they keep making up excuses.I can't go on to other topics unless you first admit and acknowlage you know nothing about this matter.

I know 10 times more about Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier then you do in your dreams.The same goes with the sport of boxing.If you even dream you know more about Muhammad Ali,Joe Frazier,and boxing than me you should wake up and apolagize!! JAB also makes you look silly.I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing for 44 years! I have film on every fighter I can get my hands on.I have read everything I can get my hands on,including Joe Frazier's book you keep qouting from,Lol...I've heard and read everything you have said.So save your breath.I admit you do make me laugh,especially getting schooled by JAB,and qouting out of Joe Frazier's book and posting from it and acting as if your telling me something I don't know,Lol...Your good for a laugh,Lol