Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[knn]

aside from weight, is there anything else u can talk about?
i think i cant entertain u anymore, because i really dont care what u think about liston & other fighters from back then.
from now on i refuse to talk with a fake account, its just a waste of time and space u know

Yup, just as I thought.

Excuses, excuses, excuses... and your favourite smilie.

CLAYtons are sooo predictable.

[Schmerzen]

looooooooooooooooooool

[Vadrigar.]

"knn" please just admit that your a failed ALT.

[JAB5239]

I am not either one , but they may have beaten the Ali of the first Liston fight , the Klitschkos are no Ernie Terrell , Jess Willard not Primo Carnerra.

Actually both K bros fight very similar to Carnera, though Vitaly more so. Neither had the heart of Carnera though in my opinion.





take the bait troll

[frankenfrank]

Actually both K bros fight very similar to Carnera, though Vitaly more so. Neither had the heart of Carnera though in my opinion.





take the bait troll

Carnerra was a lesser fighter than Valuev actually , and P4P had a worse chin than Wlad's. since when either Klitschko or Valuev were stopped by a 184.5 lbs fighter ? and then lost the consecutive rematch and the rubber match to that same fighter by decisions. Carnerra could have learned a lot from Valuev.
Carnerra was stopped 5 times in his career , and these were real stoppages , not on cuts , not on shoulder injuries , not even knee injuries caused by knockdowns , he had a crap chin , worse even than Wlad's.
It is an insult for both Klitschkos and Valuev to be compared to such a fighter. He was even worse than Michael Grant , Jameel McCline and Lance Whitaker , he was maybe the Julius Long of his time.
Max Baer would have never stopped Vitali or Valuev and would most probably get brutally KO'd by Wlad . But against Carnerra , he found his success.
Carnerra was one of the worst big men and champions ever.
Vitali is H2H the best , while Valuev is too underestimated .
Carnerra's losses are the proof of him being nothing like the Klitschkos and Valuev except of size. Maybe he had some stylistic similarities with Vitali , but this is where the similarity ends. And I do think that Vitali's and Valuev's chin are overrated , they are simply unreachable effectively , but Carnerra's was low quality glass.

[JAB5239]

Carnerra was a lesser fighter than Valuev actually , and P4P had a worse chin than Wlad's. since when either Klitschko or Valuev were stopped by a 184.5 lbs fighter ? and then lost the consecutive rematch and the rubber match to that same fighter by decisions. Carnerra could have learned a lot from Valuev.
Carnerra was stopped 5 times in his career , and these were real stoppages , not on cuts , not on shoulder injuries , not even knee injuries caused by knockdowns , he had a crap chin , worse even than Wlad's.
It is an insult for both Klitschkos and Valuev to be compared to such a fighter. He was even worse than Michael Grant , Jameel McCline and Lance Whitaker , he was maybe the Julius Long of his time.
Max Baer would have never stopped Vitali or Valuev and would most probably get brutally KO'd by Wlad . But against Carnerra , he found his success.
Carnerra was one of the worst big men and champions ever.
Vitali is H2H the best , while Valuev is too underestimated .
Carnerra's losses are the proof of him being nothing like the Klitschkos and Valuev except of size. Maybe he had some stylistic similarities with Vitali , but this is where the similarity ends. And I do think that Vitali's and Valuev's chin are overrated , they are simply unreachable effectively , but Carnerra's was low quality glass.

Watch film of Carnera and Vitaly back to back and tell me they didn't have similar fighting styles. I would say V is better, but not by a whole lot. Everything you have written is an assumption. You have no idea how Max Baer would fare today or if any of todays super size heavies could stand up to his power. And I never claimed Carnera had a great chin, only a great heart. He had to be beaten till he couldn't fight any longer. He never quit because he was tired or had a shoulder injury.

[boxing boy]

People on here who say that Sonny Liston only beat alot of bums no nothing about boxing and boxing history.

I suggest you get some film on Liston and watch some of his fights(In full,not just highlights) and then come back on here and post again.

Sonny Liston "cleaned out" a very good Heavyweight division before destroying Patterson.

If Liston fought todays supersized heavyweights I would precict one thing........Tiiiiiimmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrr!!

[knn]

People on here who say that Sonny Liston only beat alot of bums no nothing about boxing and boxing history.

I suggest you get some film on Liston and watch some of his fights(In full,not just highlights) and then come back on here and post again.
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If Liston fought todays supersized heavyweights I would precict one thing........Tiiiiiimmmmmmmbbbbbbbbeeeeerrrrrr!!

OK, which fight should we watch? Please no sub-200 opponents since you claim "If Liston fought todays supersized heavyweights". So which fight aside from Williams should we watch? Which fight against a 200+ opponent or better against a 220+ opponent (since your claim is about supersized heavies) is a jaw-dropper?

And please don't mention bums or featherfists like Zech (35-11, 44% KORatio) or Chuck Wepner (35-14, 33% KOratio).

[boxing boy]

OK, which fight should we watch? Please no sub-200 opponents since you claim "If Liston fought todays supersized heavyweights". So which fight aside from Williams should we watch? Which fight against a 200+ opponent or better against a 220+ opponent (since your claim is about supersized heavies) is a jaw-dropper?

And please don't mention bums or featherfists like Zech (35-11, 44% KORatio) or Chuck Wepner (35-14, 33% KOratio).

Why not mention Cleveland Williams? Probably because he could also KO today's big heavyweights? Are you aware how good Cleveland Williams was? Are you aware of his awesome punching power? You are aware of his murderous left hook? He hit almost as hard as Ernie Shavers,who himself could hit harder than today's big heavyweights!!

Sonny Liston twice destroyed Cleveland Williams in brutal affairs.Williams weighed 210 & 215 lbs,but could punch harder than today's big heavyweights.For good reason you wanted Williams to not be listed.

Watch Sonny Liston fight rugged Wayne Bethea,and knock out his teeth with a LEFT JAB!!

Watch Liston destroy Mike DeJohn,the hardest punching white heavyweight in the world.

Watch Liston Destroy Nino Valdez(211lbs)the former #1 contender.

Remember,these fights are all one sided destructions.

Remember,Liston had the "reach" of Today's big fighters! But a more powerfull jab!

Liston was stronger and hit as hard as Shavers and Foreman!

But Liston had a better chin than Shavers or Foreman.

I see how desperate you are when downplaying Muhammad Ali's wins.George Foreman made tons of excuses after getting KO'd by Muhammad Ali.I see you grab at the excuse of Foreman saying he was drugged,LOL...Remember,Muhammad Ali beat Foreman when he was 7 years past his prime!! I see you believe Joe Frazier's excuse of having to fight with one eye? Why in the early and middle rounds of the Trill'a in Manilla he had no problem seeing? Lol...It was in the "late rounds" when his eyes were swelling shut from Muhammad Ali's punches that he had trouble seeing? It's part of boxing when you keep getting hit and your eyes swell shut.Oh,Muhammad Ali won that fight when he was 8 years past his prime!!

Muhammad Ali only had 19 fights when he whipped Sonny Liston to win the Heavyweight Championship of the world.The invinsible,unbeatable Sonny Liston he beat 3 years "before" his prime in 1967!! Oh,that's right Sonny had a bad shoulder,Lol...And Patterson had a bad back.Yeah,keep the excuses coming,Lol

Could the supersized heavyweights fight a round "half" blind" against Sonny Liston and live to tell the story? And in only there 19th pro fight?

Excuses,excuses,excuses....Your a joke.And so are your big heavyweights today.

[Vadrigar.]

Why not mention Cleveland Williams? Probably because he could also KO today's big heavyweights? Are you aware how good Cleveland Williams was? Are you aware of his awesome punching power? You are aware of his murderous left hook? He hit almost as hard as Ernie Shavers,who himself could hit harder than today's big heavyweights!!

Sonny Liston twice destroyed Cleveland Williams in brutal affairs.Williams weighed 210 & 215 lbs,but could punch harder than today's big heavyweights.For good reason you wanted Williams to not be listed.

Watch Sonny Liston fight rugged Wayne Bethea,and knock out his teeth with a LEFT JAB!!

Watch Liston destroy Mike DeJohn,the hardest punching white heavyweight in the world.

Watch Liston Destroy Nino Valdez(211lbs)the former #1 contender.

Remember,these fights are all one sided destructions.

Remember,Liston had the "reach" of Today's big fighters! But a more powerfull jab!

Liston was stronger and hit as hard as Shavers and Foreman!

But Liston had a better chin than Shavers or Foreman.

I see how desperate you are when downplaying Muhammad Ali's wins.George Foreman made tons of excuses after getting KO'd by Muhammad Ali.I see you grab at the excuse of Foreman saying he was drugged,LOL...Remember,Muhammad Ali beat Foreman when he was 7 years past his prime!! I see you believe Joe Frazier's excuse of having to fight with one eye? Why in the early and middle rounds of the Trill'a in Manilla he had no problem seeing? Lol...It was in the "late rounds" when his eyes were swelling shut from Muhammad Ali's punches that he had trouble seeing? It's part of boxing when you keep getting hit and your eyes swell shut.Oh,Muhammad Ali won that fight when he was 8 years past his prime!!

Muhammad Ali only had 19 fights when he whipped Sonny Liston to win the Heavyweight Championship of the world.The invinsible,unbeatable Sonny Liston he beat 3 years "before" his prime in 1967!! Oh,that's right Sonny had a bad shoulder,Lol...And Patterson had a bad back.Yeah,keep the excuses coming,Lol

Could the supersized heavyweights fight a round "half" blind" against Sonny Liston and live to tell the story? And in only there 19th pro fight?

Excuses,excuses,excuses....Your a joke.And so are your big heavyweights today.

Wow, you owned that ****** clean. You know your stuff.