Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[Suckmedry]

And when Sonny Liston was 22 he lost to a cruiser-bum (23-13, 180lbs).

And now what?

Not only that you get your facts wrong... but why should it matter that Clay beat Liston when Clay was 23 years old? How in the world does that prove anything when comparing, letsay, Clay to Lennox or Clay to Foreman?

It's typical for CLAYtons to invent nonsense statistics ("KOwins against opponents aged 24 to 28" or similar) to make some cheap point. I tell you what a better statistic would be: How many 200+ opponents did it take to beat Ali.

Hmm, strange: Already the 15th heavyweight (200+) opponent of Clay beat Clay (median weight of opponents until then 210lbs). And Wlad? His 25th opponent (median weight of his opponents until then: 230lbs).

That's a far better comparison than some useless "Let's compare how they fared at age 22"-nonsense.


Please print it out and read it again and again. That way you will always remember how I self-owned myself. It would be great if you could also relay my sig to others, so that they, too, can witness this unbelievable amount "self-owning' facts.

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[Suckmedry]

The fact that Knn insists on calling supporters of Ali "Clay"tons etc suggests that his hatred of Ali probably stems from some racial prejudice.

[GJC]

The fact that Knn insists on calling supporters of Ali "Clay"tons etc suggests that his hatred of Ali probably stems from some racial prejudice.

The fact that he doesn't post for a long time and then posts a lot shows he is an alt.
I know who I think it is

[T.Horton]

They moved faster than the Ukrainian spastic does

Poet

I don't think it's Wlads hand speed that is the issue, it's that he has to get set every time he lets his hands go. But when he's able to let that 1-2 fly it's pretty darned fast.

With that said, there is no way that either Klitschko beats Ali but I would give Lewis a shot in a 12 round fight. Overall I think Lewis was as strong and smarter than Foreman, I don't think he would have punched himself out the way Big George did, Lewis has never been one to let the anxiety get to him.

[Suckmedry]

The fact that he doesn't post for a long time and then posts a lot shows he is an alt.
I know who I think it is

Yeah, he always seems to pop up when ali is mentioned or an Ali thread is made.

Pretty sure it would be Tunney.

[BKM-]

Completely diffirent era's. The Klitschko's fight in an era where fighters give up a lot of speed for size. Size hasn't really changed that much since the golden era. Quality super heavyweights like the Klitschko's remain a rarity and although they use their size very well, they haven't faced someone with the kind of jab, movement and speed of an Ali.

Imagine how much Vitali would get tagged having his hands so low, he would probably get pot shotted all night and be unable to set up anything. Wladimir is a tougher fight I would think.

And another thing is almost every opponent gets discouraged from the sheer size and dominance of the Klits. After a while they basicely give up not only their gameplan but they are more keen to survive rather than to win the fight, or they just quit altogether. Do you think Ali is gonna quit like that?

[knn]

The fact that Knn insists on calling supporters of Ali "Clay"tons etc suggests that his hatred of Ali probably stems from some racial prejudice.

Actual judging by the amount of lies that CLAYtons fabricate everyday I will call them ALIers from now on from time to time. Thank you for the inspiration.

And how is one racist for calling others KLITards?

And you know that Cassius Marcellus Clay (from which Ali AKA Cassius Marcellus Clay got his name) was a slave liberation activist (and publisher of an anti-slavery newspaper) while Muhammad Ali was a slave capturer and slave owner?

And not only that I never said anything against blacks or whites (actually you don't even know whether I am black or white) but that it's ALI HIMSELF who is the racist. So your statement is again a proof of the reality denial of CLAYtons.

Muhammad Ali on the need for a separate black homeland:

"Why don't we get out and build our own nation? White people just don't want their ****** to be free. That's the whole thing. Why not let us go and build ourselves a nation? We want a country. We're 40 million people, but we'll never be free until we own our own land."

Muhammad Ali on intermarriage:

"No intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right black mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters."

Muhammad Ali on brotherhood:

"We're not all brothers. You can say we're brothers, but we're not."

Muhammad Ali on Al-Qaeda:

"I've opened up businesses across the country, selling products and I don't want to say... the wrong thing and hurt my business"

Muhammad Ali on ***s and ****sexuality:

"All ***s and gentiles are devils... Blacks are no devils... Everything black people doing wrong comes from [the white people]: Drinking, smoking, prostitution, ****sexuality, stealing, ********: It all comes from [the white people]"

[knn]

The fact that he doesn't post for a long time and then posts a lot shows he is an alt.
I know who I think it is

Huh, I thought I was frankenfrank? Not anymore?

[knn]

yet he still managed to KO a superheavyweight gold medalist, didnt he?

I already answered that. It's a comparison worth nothing: "Boxer A lost at age 22 and the other didn't". Yawn.

in the first fight in 64 he was 22, u r the one who isnt even able to sum up.

You wrote "ali beat liston at the age of 22" but you meant "clay beat liston".
Nevermind. It's offtopic here anyway.

[frankenfrank]

You almost hit on the secret of boxing there but just as it appeared your size fixation blurred it. If you're better than size means little.

Watch Willard v Dempsey and Baer v Carnera, actually watch them rather than look up the weights and heights and all will become clear.

Willard was a **** of a fighter who had only size and toughness , except of it , he had nothing , and then you can add Dempsey's exploiting of the rules which allowed to immediately attack a rising (from the floor) opponent.
Carnera too was not a technical genius , to say the least , and who knows how many of his wins came as a result of a fixed fight ?