Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

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Jimmy Ellis? Jimmy Ellis was about 10 times faster than Klitchko and with much less power, he is a bad analogy. When you are as slow as the Klitchkos analogies with classical Boxer punchers don't work.




No, Foreman was vulnerable to Boxer punchers that didn't move like Molasses, and even they had to resort to tactics like laying on the ropes and covering up or else running in and clinching for most of the night.

lol i guess big george now has the speed of roy jones.news flash,big george was lumbering and slow which is why ellis was able to take him to school.ellis is also about 8" shorter and like you said,no power

well,bein as how there was nobody near the size of a klit back then or even with comparable power theres no telling what else he was vulnerable to.he was almost stopped by ron lyle and k.o'd by ali so he wasnt some granite chinned machine.he was very beatable,and he proved that by losing

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Have you seen the 3 fights?

And when do the Klits "box and move" , they have crap mobility, no speed of foot at all. They are jab, jab, straight fighters essentially. Smoke would rush these guys and spark them.

What next, "can Klits beat Larry".

they dont have to be mobile.they are huge and do a great job walking most opponents down.only really big guys i would throw in a mobile category would lennox lewis,ike ibeabuchi,and rid**** bowe

just like he rushed george and spanked him right lol.if all you have to do is rush these guys to spank them why are they dominating?aint like it takes a genious to come up with a rush and spank game plan

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exactly.frazier would get decapitated by 1 of those guys and there arent many heavys today i would favor him against.stylistically,frazier is perfect for anybody who can punch.i dont think frazier wanted any parts of lyle,norton,or shavers.had he fought those guys id have alot more respect for him and it would be easier to tell how he would do.

but fact is,the 1 guy he fought,who had a big punch,mowed his sloppy ass down in spectaculous fashion.i hear 9 year olds yellin out "down goes frazier" when somebody falls

Frazier is vulnerable to sluggers with power not Boxer punchers.

Frazier was 5' 11" and he crouched down to make himself much smaller. The game was, as he said himself, you have to come down to him if you want to land on him and when you do, he has you. Klitchko at well over 6 feet would be really reaching here while Frazier would just be content to rip to the body until the head came into sight. He was accustomed to dealing with much quicker Boxer punchers like Ali and Ellis.

a win on either side is not impossible though, Frazier just has the stylistic advantages

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lol i guess big george now has the speed of roy jones.news flash,big george was lumbering and slow which is why ellis was able to take him to school.ellis is also about 8" shorter and like you said,no power

well,bein as how there was nobody near the size of a klit back then or even with comparable power theres no telling what else he was vulnerable to.he was almost stopped by ron lyle and k.o'd by ali so he wasnt some granite chinned machine.he was very beatable,and he proved that by losing

Uhh, Ellis took George to school when was that?

George was lumbering compared to swift fighters like Ali , but we are talking about Klitchko, a completely different conversation.

I like how you ignored the fact that i pointed out that even Ali and Young who were light years faster than the Klitchkos had to resort to covering on the ropes or running in and clinching. What prayer do the Klitchkos have against him just trying to Box at their speed?

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Frazier is vulnerable to sluggers with power not Boxer punchers.

Frazier was 5' 11" and he crouched down to make himself much smaller. The game was, as he said himself, you have to come down to him if you want to land on him and when you do, he has you. Klitchko at well over 6 feet would be really reaching here while Frazier would just be content to rip to the body until the head came into sight. He was accustomed to dealing with much quicker Boxer punchers like Ali and Ellis.

a win on either side is not impossible though, Frazier just has the stylistic advantages

unfortunatly talk doesnt win fights.antonio tarver once said when asked about a fight with him vs vitali"you cant hit what you cant see",implying that he has blinding speed lol.

well,big george didnt have to go far down to find smokin joe.he found him easy,early,and often.and george was also well over 6'.so you somehow think a brute could solve frazier but someone with some real technique couldnt?

of course thats what he was accustomed to dealing with,because thats what was more normal.but i do know frazier only faced 1 big puncher out that era and he got mangled.so i cant see how he possibly beats a taller,bigger,more skilled puncher

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=r.burgundy;7951761]unfortunatly talk doesnt win fights.antonio tarver once said when asked about a fight with him vs vitali"you cant hit what you cant see",implying that he has blinding speed lol.

well,big george didnt have to go far down to find smokin joe.he found him easy,early,and often.and george was also well over 6'.so you somehow think a brute could solve frazier but someone with some real technique couldnt?

of course thats what he was accustomed to dealing with,because thats what was more normal.but i do know frazier only faced 1 big puncher out that era and he got mangled.so i cant see how he possibly beats a taller,bigger,more skilled puncher

I think your problem is that you think Big George is a normal puncher.

Also can you comprehend the difference between a slugger and a boxer?!
a slugger (like Foreman) can find anyone because he steps right into their faces and wings punches, a Boxer has to set punches up from a distance and time them.

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Uhh, Ellis took George to school when was that?

George was lumbering compared to swift fighters like Ali , but we are talking about Klitchko, a completely different conversation.

I like how you ignored the fact that i pointed out that even Ali and Young who were light years faster than the Klitchkos had to resort to covering on the ropes or running in and clinching. What prayer do the Klitchkos have against him just trying to Box at their speed?

young,sorry.and yes he took george to school lol.he also dropped george if im not mistaken,which im not.if have to check if my father still has that fight.and young was layin on the ropes from fatigue,not strategy like ali.and if im also not mistaken young had george hurt in round 7 or 8

what you choose to ignore that both klits are light years bigger,and stronger than both young,foreman,and ali.george wouldnt have the technique to get inside and frazier wouldnt have the technique or chin,or punch to do anything even if he did

i will say this though.foreman would likely destroy wlad pre emmanuel steward,but frazier hasnt got a snowballs chance in hell either way

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unfortunatly talk doesnt win fights.antonio tarver once said when asked about a fight with him vs vitali"you cant hit what you cant see",implying that he has blinding speed lol.

well,big george didnt have to go far down to find smokin joe.he found him easy,early,and often.and george was also well over 6'.so you somehow think a brute could solve frazier but someone with some real technique couldnt?

of course thats what he was accustomed to dealing with,because thats what was more normal.but i do know frazier only faced 1 big puncher out that era and he got mangled.so i cant see how he possibly beats a taller,bigger,more skilled puncher

I think your problem is that you think Big George is a normal puncher.

Also can you comprehend the difference between a slugger and a boxer?!
a slugger can find anyone because he steps right into their faces and wings punches, a Boxer has to set punches up from a distance and time them.

george an joe were both sluggers and sluggers usually get picked apart by boxers.ala ali,young over foreman,lewis over tua,mosley over rito,an mayorga,hopkins over tito,calzhage over lacy,etc etc.i cant think of many instances were the slugger beats the boxer with a punch.feel free to point some out

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young,sorry.and yes he took george to school lol.he also dropped george if im not mistaken,which im not.if have to check if my father still has that fight.and young was layin on the ropes from fatigue,not strategy like ali.and if im also not mistaken young had george hurt in round 7 or 8

what you choose to ignore that both klits are light years bigger,and stronger than both young,foreman,and ali.george wouldnt have the technique to get inside and frazier wouldnt have the technique or chin,or punch to do anything even if he did

i will say this though.foreman would likely destroy wlad pre emmanuel steward,but frazier hasnt got a snowballs chance in hell either way

I think i should cut and paste this so you can read it again.

I like how you ignored the fact that i pointed out that even Ali and Young who were light years faster than the Klitchkos had to resort to covering on the ropes or running in and clinching. What prayer do the Klitchkos have against him just trying to Box at their speed?

No Young was not the one laying on the ropes in that quote, he was the one running in and clinching Foreman non-stop during the first half of the fight. Ran in and hugged him like he was his lover every twenty seconds until Foreman began to slow down.


Stronger than Foreman? I don't know, but they sure don't have his power.

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george an joe were both sluggers and sluggers usually get picked apart by boxers.ala ali,young over foreman,lewis over tua,mosley over rito,an mayorga,hopkins over tito,calzhage over lacy,etc etc.i cant think of many instances were the slugger beats the boxer with a punch.feel free to point some out

I was talking about the fact that George could find Joe despite his crouching style because he was a slugger rather than a boxer puncher.

Slow Tall klitchko trying to time and reach a crouching, constantly moving Joe without getting blasted in the face while Joe works his body all night is another matter.

Why would you use a slugger like George to explain to me how a Boxer Puncher like Klitchko would respond to Joe's style?

a Fighter 6'7" stooping down to land on a guy 5' 11" crouched way down and poised to spring up in a second with a vicious left hook, and this while he viciously works the body.

Not impossible for Klitchko but hard.