Joe Frazier beats both Klitschkos

[EzzardFan]

The thing I like about the Klitschkos is that I can cook a pizza between them starting their punches and them landing...

I think that Frazier would easily get inside, the main problem being that he tended to take too many shots to get inside and this is where he'd be vulnerable to these monsters. I'd still pick him to beat them though, just not simultaneously LOL.

Inside fighting is a long lost art, it pretty much died out in the early 60s. The referees these days break fighters apart too soon, that's a big part of the problem. Frazier wasn't as skilled as the fighters that went before him but had far superior inside skills to today's fighters. The Klitschkos have never encountered a fighter with those inside skills.

The fight I really would like to see would be Archie Moore vs a Klitschko. Archie's defense would be perfect for them, and the Old Mongoose was skilled at working his way inside to find the button.

I had an interesting couple of sparring sessions these past two weeks, with an opponent 6 years my junior (I'm 39) that outweighed me by 25lbs and had much longer reach (everyone has a longer reach than me I'm 6' & 175lbs with a 68" reach). The first time I tried to play stick and run and he handed me my ass big time, opening up on me with these huge swinging bombs, stopping me cold and cutting me down. The second time I kept going inside him using the cross armed guard and hitting him with inside punches, uppercuts, short straights, inside cross, short hooks, and even a few overhand shots, alternating my attack between head and body. I wasn't swarming on him just pecking away carefully placing my shots so that they counted. He could barely hit me, was too off balance to clinch, and actually surrendered after 3 rounds looking thoroughly disillusioned. We were wearing head guards and I was holding back a little, but found his button several times. Like many big tall fighters he had a tendency to move his head up from punches exposing his chin. The Klitschkos share this trait.

My point is that old fashioned approach works really well against larger fighters with a reach advantage, if you make it past their jab (the easy part) they try and chop you down with big swings (although they probably consider those to be short hooks LOL) which is essentially what Foreman did to Frazier, but Ancient Archie's cross armed defence is water tight against that type of assault.

[Suckmedry]

I have to disagree here.frazier wouldn't even step in the ring with Wladimir Klitschko.Regardless of Wlad's weak chin and poor stamina,the man has knockout power in both hands and frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers.frazier isn't as tough or durable as Lamon brewster and wouldn't take that much to finally get to Wlad.Seeing as this is a fantasy match,I would fancy Wladimir to knock "Smokey" Joe out within the first three rounds.


In Vitali Klitschko,frazier is dealing with a fighter who does have stamina,who is durable and takes as good a punch as any heavyweight in the history of the sport of boxing.Vitali isn't the puncher that Wladimir is,but he is still heavy handed and unlike Wlad is willing to commit to his offense and not simply pace himself.frazier wouldn't be able to sustain the constant jabs and right hands crashing into his cranium.Vitali cracks frazier's glass jaw and puts him down a couple of times before frazier retreats to his corner and tells his corner he wants no more.

And, as usual when we discuss a Frazier related topic, Snopkins' opinion is null and void.

[r.burgundy]

George Foreman would KO both Klitschko's inside of 5 rounds.

the same way he k.o'd jimmy ellis huh

sure buddy..foreman was very vulnerable to boxers and its not like his chin was made of steel.what you people seem tto not understand is how unique the klistschos are physically.young george foreman was a taller version of sam peter.somebody who could maul you physically but if you can box,he's in for a long night.how many times was he on the deck against ron lyle?and you seem to think he's gonna take these guys punches lmao.you cant be serious

[r.burgundy]

I have to disagree here.frazier wouldn't even step in the ring with Wladimir Klitschko.Regardless of Wlad's weak chin and poor stamina,the man has knockout power in both hands and frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers.frazier isn't as tough or durable as Lamon brewster and wouldn't take that much to finally get to Wlad.Seeing as this is a fantasy match,I would fancy Wladimir to knock "Smokey" Joe out within the first three rounds.


In Vitali Klitschko,frazier is dealing with a fighter who does have stamina,who is durable and takes as good a punch as any heavyweight in the history of the sport of boxing.Vitali isn't the puncher that Wladimir is,but he is still heavy handed and unlike Wlad is willing to commit to his offense and not simply pace himself.frazier wouldn't be able to sustain the constant jabs and right hands crashing into his cranium.Vitali cracks frazier's glass jaw and puts him down a couple of times before frazier retreats to his corner and tells his corner he wants no more.

exactly.frazier would get decapitated by 1 of those guys and there arent many heavys today i would favor him against.stylistically,frazier is perfect for anybody who can punch.i dont think frazier wanted any parts of lyle,norton,or shavers.had he fought those guys id have alot more respect for him and it would be easier to tell how he would do.

but fact is,the 1 guy he fought,who had a big punch,mowed his sloppy ass down in spectaculous fashion.i hear 9 year olds yellin out "down goes frazier" when somebody falls

there is absolutely nothing to suggest that frazier could compete with 1 of these guys.he's famous for having 3 great fights with the feather fisted ali.that is all.end of his story

[mickey malone]

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Originally Posted by Snopkins
I have to disagree here.frazier wouldn't even step in the ring with Wladimir Klitschko.Regardless of Wlad's weak chin and poor stamina,the man has knockout power in both hands and frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers.frazier isn't as tough or durable as Lamon brewster and wouldn't take that much to finally get to Wlad.Seeing as this is a fantasy match,I would fancy Wladimir to knock "Smokey" Joe out within the first three rounds.


In Vitali Klitschko,frazier is dealing with a fighter who does have stamina,who is durable and takes as good a punch as any heavyweight in the history of the sport of boxing.Vitali isn't the puncher that Wladimir is,but he is still heavy handed and unlike Wlad is willing to commit to his offense and not simply pace himself.frazier wouldn't be able to sustain the constant jabs and right hands crashing into his cranium.Vitali cracks frazier's glass jaw and puts him down a couple of times before frazier retreats to his corner and tells his corner he wants no more.

Quote;r.burgundy
exactly.frazier would get decapitated by 1 of those guys and there arent many heavys today i would favor him against.stylistically,frazier is perfect for anybody who can punch.i dont think frazier wanted any parts of lyle,norton,or shavers.had he fought those guys id have alot more respect for him and it would be easier to tell how he would do.

but fact is,the 1 guy he fought,who had a big punch,mowed his sloppy ass down in spectaculous fashion.i hear 9 year olds yellin out "down goes frazier" when somebody falls

there is absolutely nothing to suggest that frazier could compete with 1 of these guys.he's famous for having 3 great fights with the feather fisted ali.that is all.end of his story

Note the close comma's and fullstops.. Must be a common trait amongst the Frazier hate club foundation..

[r.burgundy]

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Originally Posted by Snopkins
I have to disagree here.frazier wouldn't even step in the ring with Wladimir Klitschko.Regardless of Wlad's weak chin and poor stamina,the man has knockout power in both hands and frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers.frazier isn't as tough or durable as Lamon brewster and wouldn't take that much to finally get to Wlad.Seeing as this is a fantasy match,I would fancy Wladimir to knock "Smokey" Joe out within the first three rounds.


In Vitali Klitschko,frazier is dealing with a fighter who does have stamina,who is durable and takes as good a punch as any heavyweight in the history of the sport of boxing.Vitali isn't the puncher that Wladimir is,but he is still heavy handed and unlike Wlad is willing to commit to his offense and not simply pace himself.frazier wouldn't be able to sustain the constant jabs and right hands crashing into his cranium.Vitali cracks frazier's glass jaw and puts him down a couple of times before frazier retreats to his corner and tells his corner he wants no more.

Quote;r.burgundy
exactly.frazier would get decapitated by 1 of those guys and there arent many heavys today i would favor him against.stylistically,frazier is perfect for anybody who can punch.i dont think frazier wanted any parts of lyle,norton,or shavers.had he fought those guys id have alot more respect for him and it would be easier to tell how he would do.

but fact is,the 1 guy he fought,who had a big punch,mowed his sloppy ass down in spectaculous fashion.i hear 9 year olds yellin out "down goes frazier" when somebody falls

there is absolutely nothing to suggest that frazier could compete with 1 of these guys.he's famous for having 3 great fights with the feather fisted ali.that is all.end of his story

Note the close comma's and fullstops.. Must be a common trait amongst the Frazier hate club foundation..

you lost me there.

i dont hate smokin joe.he's just a bum.talking about him reminds me of what toney said after tarver beat roy.he said"he's a c level fighter who lucked up and beat a A level fighter".that sums up smokin joe

[fight_professor]

Now THAT is a fact.

There is no way on Earth either Klit could stand up to Foreman's brutality. He'd blow glass jawed Wlad out inside 3, and break Vitali down too.

On the issue, Smoke has the perfect style to beat Klits. Bob and wave, get inside the jabs and explode. If he managed to circumnavigate Ali's jab, with all its speed and precision, those guys jabs would just be side stepped.

[res]

the same way he k.o'd jimmy ellis huh

Jimmy Ellis? Jimmy Ellis was about 10 times faster than Klitchko and with much less power, he is a bad analogy. When you are as slow as the Klitchkos analogies with classical Boxer punchers don't work.

sure buddy..foreman was very vulnerable to boxers and its not like his chin was made of steel.what you people seem tto not understand is how unique the klistschos are physically.young george foreman was a taller version of sam peter.somebody who could maul you physically but if you can box,he's in for a long night.how many times was he on the deck against ron lyle?and you seem to think he's gonna take these guys punches lmao.you cant be serious

No, Foreman was vulnerable to Boxer punchers that didn't move like Molasses, and even they had to resort to tactics like laying on the ropes and covering up or else running in and clinching for most of the night.

[r.burgundy]

There is no way on Earth either Klit could stand up to Foreman's brutality. He'd blow glass jawed Wlad out inside 3, and break Vitali down too.

On the issue, Smoke has the perfect style to beat Klits. Bob and wave, get inside the jabs and explode. If he managed to circumnavigate Ali's jab, with all its speed and precision, those guys jabs would just be side stepped.

and george foremans chin was made of steele huh?

when ali boxed an moved frazier was useless,when he laid on the ropes and danced around with his hands low is when he got into trouble

[fight_professor]

Have you seen the 3 fights?

And when do the Klits "box and move" , they have crap mobility, no speed of foot at all. They are jab, jab, straight fighters essentially. Smoke would rush these guys and spark them.

What next, "can Klits beat Larry".