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  • Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
    of course they can compete today , against the likes of themselves.
    but whenever they step in the ring against a technically almost decent superheavy in a fine condition they lose.
    adamek can compete against chambers , haye can compete against ruiz , moorer could compete against jirov , but no one can compete against the klitschkos. sanders , puritty were almost natural heavys and brewster was quite of a fluke , and a roided one at that , and fighting a chinny wlad also helped.
    louis could outpoint mccall on some occasions , i suppose (not certain) , but mccall stopping louis is about as reasonable scenario.
    And were David Tua or Oliver McCall "technically decent superheavyweights in fine condition"? Don't change the subject here. Both have been beaten by crusierweights, light heavyweights, who is to say they wouldn't be beaten even worse by an all-time great heavyweight?

    no. a stoppage loss to a smaller fighter is by far worse than a decision loss to a bigger fighter like mccall's losses to bruno , tucker and douglas.
    some of mccall's losses were also too close to be considered as serious losses.
    Of course losing (and actually avenging the loss) against a top 25 all-time great heavyweight and a former heavyweight champion is much worse than losing to a china-chinned DaVarryl Williamson and the great 200 lb Mike "Bounty" Hunter. And there was no question about those losses either.

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    • Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
      And were David Tua or Oliver McCall "technically decent superheavyweights in fine condition"? Don't change the subject here. Both have been beaten by crusierweights, light heavyweights, who is to say they wouldn't be beaten even worse by an all-time great heavyweight?
      tua is a midget and mccall is barely technically decent and not very big himself , i meant klitschko/dimitrenko/valuev/mccline/lewis/grant/whitaker/bowe/etc sized with a good skill. not a carnera/austin/sanders/etc skill.

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      • Originally posted by frankenfrank View Post
        tua is a midget and mccall is barely technically decent and not very big himself , i meant klitschko/dimitrenko/valuev/mccline/lewis/grant/whitaker/bowe/etc sized with a good skill. not a carnera/austin/sanders/etc skill.
        Hey Gilligan, next time you might want to make sure you're in the green yourself before you try hitting me with red

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        • Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
          And were David Tua or Oliver McCall "technically decent superheavyweights in fine condition"? Don't change the subject here. Both have been beaten by crusierweights, light heavyweights, who is to say they wouldn't be beaten even worse by an all-time great heavyweight?

          Of course losing (and actually avenging the loss) against a top 25 all-time great heavyweight and a former heavyweight champion is much worse than losing to a china-chinned DaVarryl Williamson and the great 200 lb Mike "Bounty" Hunter. And there was no question about those losses either.
          And Valuev lost to Haye and Chagaev

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          • Originally posted by J23 View Post
            How does he do against these fighters:

            Goerge Foreman
            Mike Tyson
            Sonny Liston
            I would pick all three to KO Louis inside 5 rounds.

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            • Originally posted by boxingbuff View Post
              I would pick all three to KO Louis inside 5 rounds.

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              • Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                Hey Gilligan, next time you might want to make sure you're in the green yourself before you try hitting me with red

                Poet
                Lol!! To funny!!

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                • Marciano and Louis both More Talented than Tyson....

                  Hello,
                  I dont know your age, or if you have taken enough time to study fighter from the Real Days of Fighting!! And I say that because, these guys fought for peanuts, it was all about Pride. And for you to say Tyson has more Talent than Joe Louis, is Insane. The to make a response and say that Rocky Marciano was shy of Tyson's Talent, is another bad response. Rocky Marciano didn't know the meaning of the word Lose!!! And his record spoke for that! he trained like a Machine, Naturally, with no Weights, or Steroids, etc....He was fanatical about his Training, which is why, he could keep punching, even in the 15th Rounds of a Fight...while others were spent long before that. And the Rock could hit you solidly, and powerfully from ever kind of awkward angle that he may have been on. Either of them beat Tyson. You give Tyson far too much credit. it may be due to your age. Ray






                  Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
                  I haven't watched all of Louis' fights, but from the fights that I have seen, it's apparent that he's never fought anybody on Mike's level, aside from Marciano (who was shy of Mike's talent). Mike was the most dangerous kind of fighter - an ultra evasive, quick handed combo puncher with tons of power in both hands that knew how to get inside and "open up like a son of a *****" and on top of being the most dangerous type, he was the most skilled at being the type of fighter he was, not to mention a great chin and the ability to go 10 rounds with guys that weighed 30 lb's more than he.

                  I'm not saying Louis wasn't great, but boxing changed a lot from the time Louis fought to when Mike was fighting, and I just don't see how judging from the style of these guys and watching them on film, anybody could believe that Louis could beat Tyson. I just don't see it happening.

                  I feel like Tyson in his prime was in a league all his own - a phenom that the world had never seen anything close to.

                  I just don't know that Louis, as quick and accurate as he was, would have the ability to hit Mike enough to hurt him, and I doubt that Louis would be able to dodge or take Mike's punches for more than 6 rounds.

                  Unless there is something on film that we can see that shows otherwise.

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                  • Louis being a slow starter could be deadly against Foreman and Tyson. He didn't necessarily have Ali's foot speed so im not sure if he could get out of the way of Listons jab and power. Hes one my all time favorite heavyweights but these are tough match ups.

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                    • Originally posted by slicksouthpaw16 View Post
                      Louis being a slow starter could be deadly against Foreman and Tyson. He didn't necessarily have Ali's foot speed so im not sure if he could get out of the way of Listons jab and power. Hes one my all time favorite heavyweights but these are tough match ups.
                      They are tough match-ups for everyone concerned.

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