Poll: Is Duran a top 5 AT fighter?

[DeeMoney]

Joe frazier defeated Ali for the title and went on a steam roll in his prime. Plus he never quit in the ring in his prime.

Joe Frazier got the same record against Ali similarly to Duran and Leonard but yall got Duran over Leonard ? Come on now.

Larry Holmes is one of the best heavyweights of all time. The best jab in boxing and almost was 49-0 and arguably he should had broken that record. He also beat a prime Ray Mercer who gave Lennox a great fight. Who many consider one of the greatest ever.

Foreman claimed the heavyweight belt in two different eras. The man was a beast in two eras. Steamed rolled prime Frazier and micheal moorer.


Who did Duran beat better than prime Frazier and Micheal Moorer ? He beat leonard but Leonard came back with vengeance.

Run down Durans resume against all time greats past the 2nd Leonard fight. And let's see how he really stacks up. Hes already the weakest of the four kings or tied with hearns but below hagler and definitely leonard. we give him respect due to his size thats why hes ranked high on P4P. But let's run down the list post Leonard 2.

He gave hagler a hard fight though.

Not quite sure why you are limiting Duran to "post Leonard 2" and basically wiping out his run as the greatest lightweight ever (or if not at least in the past 100 years).
Yes, he in the ring in direct h2h fights was the worst of the 4 kings, but we recognize thats because of the four he was the only whose prime was at lightweight- all others were bigger fighters. And since this whole discussion was based on p4p that seems to be a valid material point.
I mean head to head I'd pick Anthony Joshua to beat all four of them, but that doesnt mean I'd rank him higher p4p.

[SouthpawRight]

what has Duran done that manny hasn't

Duran had a clear size disadvantage and beat his version of Floyd, Sugar Leonard, who was prime. Duran did it despite being at a size disadvantage

Manny was 10-2’d when he faced his top 12 atg opponent a past prime Floyd. manny had a size advantage in the form of 2 pounds heavier than Floyd on fight night. And Floyd was past prime more so than manny when Floyd 10-2’d him and coming off so and so performance against Marcos

Duran defeated his main rival Esteban

Manny was ultimately conquered by his Juan

for these reasons

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry
3. Henry
4. Sam
5. Ezzard
6. Muhammad
7. Roberto
8. Joe Louis
9. Willie
10. Sugar Leonard
11. Floyd
12. Benny
13. Archie
14. Manny
15. Jimmy
16. Carlos
17. Marvin

[MalevolentBite]

Not quite sure why you are limiting Duran to "post Leonard 2" and basically wiping out his run as the greatest lightweight ever (or if not at least in the past 100 years).
Yes, he in the ring in direct h2h fights was the worst of the 4 kings, but we recognize thats because of the four he was the only whose prime was at lightweight- all others were bigger fighters. And since this whole discussion was based on p4p that seems to be a valid material point.
I mean head to head I'd pick Anthony Joshua to beat all four of them, but that doesnt mean I'd rank him higher p4p.

Nooo^^ i clearly asked the OP was this a P4P list or ATG list and everyone stayed quiet. Is this officially P4P or a ATG list regardless of weight?

if its P4P then why are people including Ali? It seems people are all over the place. Of course if its P4P then I am fine with Duran being top 5. But I have yet to confirm this , then my next question if its P4P where is Pacquiao on most people's list ?

[MalevolentBite]

Duran had a clear size disadvantage and beat his version of Floyd, Sugar Leonard, who was prime. Duran did it despite being at a size disadvantage

Manny was 10-2’d when he faced his top 12 atg opponent a past prime Floyd. manny had a size advantage in the form of 2 pounds heavier than Floyd on fight night. And Floyd was past prime more so than manny when Floyd 10-2’d him and coming off so and so performance against Marcos

Duran defeated his main rival Esteban

Manny was ultimately conquered by his Juan

for these reasons

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry
3. Henry
4. Sam
5. Ezzard
6. Muhammad
7. Roberto
8. Joe Louis
9. Willie
10. Sugar Leonard
11. Floyd
12. Benny
13. Archie
14. Manny
15. Jimmy
16. Carlos
17. Marvin

Dude you are not making any sense. Is this a P4P list or just opinion list of ATG fighters ? Why is Muhammad Ali in a P4P list? Heavyweights are not P4P.

If its a P4P Manny Pacquiao has to be top ten based on all the weight classes he went through and actually won. You keep downing down manny base on his lost to Floyd. Floyd would be and should be on everyone's list for P4P period. Duran won the first Leonard fight above his natural weight class. After that he lost most of his major fights at a higher weight besides Iran. Lets not get a ahead of our selves here.

if this is a true P4P list Manny has to Crack top 10 and no P4P list should include a heavyweight that's the point of the Pound 4 pound list lol.

Pacquiao has won twelve major world titles and is also the only eight-division world champion in boxing history. There's no other P4P that did that. Thats fine he lost one time against Marquez but let's not act like we didn't see Tommy Hearns put Duran in a suitcase.

[SouthpawRight]

Dude you are not making any sense. Is this a P4P list or just opinion list of ATG fighters ? Why is Muhammad Ali in a P4P list? Heavyweights are not P4P.

If its a P4P Manny Pacquiao has to be top ten based on all the weight classes he went through and actually won. You keep downing down manny base on his lost to Floyd. Floyd would be and should be on everyone's list for P4P period. Duran won the first Leonard fight above his natural weight class. After that he lost most of his major fights at a higher weight besides Iran. Lets not get a ahead of our selves here.

if this is a true P4P list Manny has to Crack top 10 and no P4P list should include a heavyweight that's the point of the Pound 4 pound list lol.

Pacquiao has won twelve major world titles and is also the only eight-division world champion in boxing history. There's no other P4P that did that. Thats fine he lost one time against Marquez but let's not act like we didn't see Tommy Hearns put Duran in a suitcase.

apples to oranges

Tommy had a massive size advantage over Roberto

manny was bigger than Juan and got clapped after he brought Juan up a weight class

how am I not making sense when it’s in the title that this is an AT [All Time] ranking?

all inclusive giants dwarves no problem

[DeeMoney]

Nooo^^ i clearly asked the OP was this a P4P list or ATG list and everyone stayed quiet. Is this officially P4P or a ATG list regardless of weight?

if its P4P then why are people including Ali? It seems people are all over the place. Of course if its P4P then I am fine with Duran being top 5. But I have yet to confirm this , then my next question if its P4P where is Pacquiao on most people's list ?

Welp, just a matter of semantics then, figured as much. And though you don't rate heavyweights P4P, sticking with the definition that came up for SRR to get his respect, there are many of us here who do (me included). For me, I rate P4P relative to your weight class, so heavyweights can be included too.

[them_apples]

Who do have ahead of him. Armstrong?

Greb, Langford, Armstrong, Robinson, Marciano

[SouthpawRight]

Welp, just a matter of semantics then, figured as much. And though you don't rate heavyweights P4P, sticking with the definition that came up for SRR to get his respect, there are many of us here who do (me included). For me, I rate P4P relative to your weight class, so heavyweights can be included too.

to determine the best pound for pound measures skill: who they beat, how they beat, and when they beat

heavies are popular

people mix up getting attention for being the best

my approach for p4p if all are welters, who would come out ahead in h2h

in the present time there’s no clear cut hypothetical h2h best between Bivol TBud Naoya Usyk

[QueensburyRules]

Hes kinda making a case against Duran because whats the difference between Duran and Manny Pacquiao? They keep saying all time and not P4P what has Duran done that manny hasn't besides fighting at Middleweight or higher ? Manny did alot in his career.

- - Duran never started at featherweight, and in fact Manny beat, nay wrecked a 165lb Margarito who l'l floydy ducked.

The sheer density of single digit IQs on this forum explains a lot about the current implosion of the world.

[MalevolentBite]

apples to oranges

Tommy had a massive size advantage over Roberto

manny was bigger than Juan and got clapped after he brought Juan up a weight class

how am I not making sense when it’s in the title that this is an AT [All Time] ranking?

all inclusive giants dwarves no problem

Its not apples to oranges, all time means everyone is included. If everyone is included I find it hard to believe Duran should be over Joe Louis or George Foreman who defeated undefeated Joe Frazier and undefeated micheal moorer in their primes and both are high level hall of famers.

Now if we are doing P4P all time list and since I have been following boxing P4P never included heavyweights, never. That was always the case then, I am fine with Duran being on the top ten but once again one of the best P4P fighers ever is manny Pacquiao. Thats not even my opinion that's a fact. Also Floyd mayweather should also be on the P4P list but only you mentioned him so thats why I am confused about this whole list. Also Hopkins, Roy Jones, James Toney and Canelo wasnt included on most people's list if this is indeed P4P.

I got no issues with your opinion it seems people are now growing grass on sand. Either its an ATG great list regardless of weight or P4P. Once people start using P4P verbiage then these list lose creditable to me IMO.