Lennox revising history re Vitali rematch

[QueensburyRules]

Show me the HBO broadcast where they show tape cutting Vits. I can wait all day if need be. But I bet you refuse to post it......because you cant.

- - Y I show U what U no comprehend because U busy filling U BigBoys back then?

[JAB5239]

- - Y I show U what U no comprehend because U busy filling U BigBoys back then?

Exactly as I figured. We all knew you wouldn't do it because you can't. It was a right hand that said the damage that led to Vits being stopped. You can make up anything you want, the video doesn't lie.

[JAB5239]

Champions can't defend titles against unranked fighters. They have to be ranked to get a shot. Where are you getting your suspect info?
To imply one of the HWT GOATS handpicked his way to a phony record is ridiculous. Vitali may have even been the goat at his peak. Like I said before, the Byrd fight was a tank job IMO. Fake injury to set up his brother with an easy title shot.

[Willie Pep 229]

Not a hint of any pain or discomfort. No evidence of an injury during the fight or after, just his word. The guy later fought with his face falling off vs Lennox but couldnt box with one arm vs a softee like Byrd? I think he threw the fight, didn't demand the rematch, which set up his weaker brother with any easy title shot vs Byrd. Imagine how much the ukrainian mob could have made knowing Vitali was going to tank in the tenth round.

Vitali did not demand the rematch. That says it all.

I tore my rotor cuff slaming into the gym floor with my shoulder. I finished the game.

It wasn't until the next day that it inflamed and I could not raise my arm over my head.

I obviously can't speak for all injuries but my personal experience made me question Vitali's quit. It took OVER 24 hours for me to realise I ripped my cuff.

Then it took three months to completely heal it.

[Bennyleonard99]

I tore my rotor cuff slaming into the gym floor with my shoulder. I finished the game.

It wasn't until the next day that it inflamed and I could not raise my arm over my head.

I obviously can't speak for all injuries but my personal experience made me question Vitali's quit. It took OVER 24 hours for me to realise I ripped my cuff.

Then it took three months to completely heal it.

There was no moment in the fight where it looked like Vitali hurt it or showed any kind of pain.

[Willie Pep 229]

There was no moment in the fight where it looked like Vitali hurt it or showed any kind of pain.

As I said. I didn't believe it, but you can tear it without it being obvious. It's the inflammation that causes the pain afterwards.

It's why steroids help us heal faster, they re-tard inflammation and take away the pain which allows for more aggressive therapy to go forward.

[BKM-]

I'm gonna rewatch the Vitali vs Byrd fight. The last time I watched it was years ago but I remember Byrd looking really good but offering very little offense. Vitali was active and landing more but also missing a lot. And I mean frustratingly missing many shots. That's kind of what Byrd does, he was a pain in the arse and it's pretty amazing he did that being so light against a Russian machine. He truly understood the art.

Anyway, if I were Vitali I would hate to fight him again. There is also a psychological aspect some are missing here. If Byrd starts dodging his punches again there has to be a worry in the back of Vitali's mind that he could blow out his shoulder again, doesn't he?

[JAB5239]

I'm gonna rewatch the Vitali vs Byrd fight. The last time I watched it was years ago but I remember Byrd looking really good but offering very little offense. Vitali was active and landing more but also missing a lot. And I mean frustratingly missing many shots. That's kind of what Byrd does, he was a pain in the arse and it's pretty amazing he did that being so light against a Russian machine. He truly understood the art.

Anyway, if I were Vitali I would hate to fight him again. There is also a psychological aspect some are missing here. If Byrd starts dodging his punches again there has to be a worry in the back of Vitali's mind that he could blow out his shoulder again, doesn't he?

Byrd did back Vits up on plenty of occasions in their fight, and Vit only landed 8 more punches in the entire fight. I do agree about the psychological effect. Not because he was afraid of getting hurt again, but because he knew he was going to look bad no matter what. I think that really did a number on his ego, especially with the fans cheering for Byrd in his adopted home country. Against Lewis even though he lost he looked good. He could get to Lennox. Not as much against Byrd.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm gonna rewatch the Vitali vs Byrd fight. The last time I watched it was years ago but I remember Byrd looking really good but offering very little offense. Vitali was active and landing more but also missing a lot. And I mean frustratingly missing many shots. That's kind of what Byrd does, he was a pain in the arse and it's pretty amazing he did that being so light against a Russian machine. He truly understood the art.

Anyway, if I were Vitali I would hate to fight him again. There is also a psychological aspect some are missing here. If Byrd starts dodging his punches again there has to be a worry in the back of Vitali's mind that he could blow out his shoulder again, doesn't he?

Will repeated misses cause a rotator cuff tear?

It seems intuitive that it would, but most often there seems to be impact involved.

I can only think of four examples. I saw two different QBs (on TV) hit the ground hard on their shoulders like I did.

Along with my first fall, I reinjured the cuff a year or two later sticking hard jabs into a heavy bag.

P.S. So I should also note that while my first fall didn't hurt until the next day, I felt the second tear occur immediately when I hit the bag.

So my earlier argument that Vitali wouldn't have felt it immediately I now RETRACT.

You jogged my memory and now I remember hurting it a second time (but minor) hitting a bag and feeling it immediately.

[Bennyleonard99]

Will repeated misses cause a rotator cuff tear?

It seems intuitive that it would, but most often there seems to be impact involved.

I can only think of four examples. I saw two different QBs (on TV) hit the ground hard on their shoulders like I did.

Along with my first fall, I reinjured the cuff a year or two later sticking hard jabs into a heavy bag.

P.S. So I should also note that while my first fall didn't hurt until the next day, I felt the second tear occur immediately when I hit the bag.

So my earlier argument that Vitali wouldn't have felt it immediately I now RETRACT.

You jogged my memory and now I remember hurting it a second time (but minor) hitting a bag and feeling it immediately.

Shoulders are fragile areas for sure. But from what I remember of this fight was never seeing any moment or sign of pain. To tear it hurts like hell. I did it once in a doubles match and the guy slammed an overhead at net and I stuck my racquet out to try to block it back but it had to be 100mph and at contact with my racquet it tore my shoulder cuff. Couldn't do anything with the right shoulder for months. But Renaldo Snipes actually told me a remedy, apply apple cider vinegar on it every day. And it worked! No surgery needed. Byrd was crazy good. He was dead even with Ibeabuchi until Ike finally caught him clean. Ike missed a lot. It's possible Vitali really did hurt it but my theory is also plausible. Byrd was 165 in the Olympics and blew himself up artificially to be heavyweight and held his own with the very best. Byrd would have beaten Jones in a WBA IBF unification too but Roy dodged that.