The Terrible Trio. 50-0, 46-0 & 32-0. JEALOUSY

[them_apples]

But you again didn't answer my question. And I know why you guys won't answer it. You're going to be forced to admit that it was a fair offer....which leads to only one conclusion.

I told you why though multiple times

he threw that question up to stall the fight

he had no right to do it

therefore it does not matter

its like running over nails on common city grounds and blaming the tire for popping instead of the city

the nails should not be there in the first place

[travestyny]

I told you why though multiple times

he threw that question up to stall the fight

he had no right to do it

therefore it does not matter

its like running over nails on common city grounds and blaming the tire for popping instead of the city

I'm confused. You told me why what? Why you won't answer?

They literally had to set the protocol for drug testing since they both agreed to extra testing. How would it stall the fight? It doesn't stall the fight if he agrees to a very GENEROUS proposal, and that proposal was indeed generous.

It does matter since it was the single reason that the fight didn't happen when both were in their prime. That is without question and you know it. With all due respect, you and a few others just keep ducking it because it doesn't fit into your agenda.



The reason the 1st negotiation failed was because they could not agree on the timing of blood testing. This is undeniable.
So what were the offers with regards to blood testing and were they reasonable? Who refused the reasonable offer? Does the reason for refusing make sense? Simple.

[them_apples]

I'm confused. You told me why what? Why you won't answer?

They literally had to set the protocol for drug testing since they both agreed to extra testing. How would it stall the fight? It doesn't stall the fight if he agrees to a very GENEROUS proposal, and that proposal was indeed generous.

It does matter since it was the single reason that the fight didn't happen when both were in their prime. That is without question and you know it. With all due respect, you and a few others just keep ducking it because it doesn't fit into your agenda.

The single reason it didn’t happen is because Floyd thought he was the commission and demanded Olympic style drug testing

olympic style testing is drawing blood all through camp

[travestyny]

The single reason it didnâÂÂt happen is because Floyd thought he was the commission and demanded Olympic style drug testing

olympic style testing is drawing blood all through camp

That's not true. It could not be OST if he offered a cut-off date, as you just admitted in your final sentence. That is not what was offered during the first negotiation, now was it?

[them_apples]

That's not true. It could not be OST if he offered a cut-off date, as you just admitted in your final sentence. That is not what was offered during the first negotiation, now was it?

Well was it? I’m not sure.

was always under the impression Floyd wanted OST and Pacquiao did not.

I don’t know about all this cut off date stuff

I just know Floyd demanded OST out of thin air

am I missing something. I haven’t been following your argument with other posters

[travestyny]

Well was it? IâÂÂm not sure.

was always under the impression Floyd wanted OST and Pacquiao did not.

I donâÂÂt know about all this cut off date stuff

I just know Floyd demanded OST out of thin air

am I missing something. I havenâÂÂt been following your argument with other posters

Bruh.... lol.

To make a long story short, they both agreed to extra testing except Pacquiao didn't want to give blood for the entire final month up til the fight, which obviously wouldn't be ideal. Mayweather's team then busted Pac giving blood for the Hatton fight 24 days before the fight to dispel the idea he needed a month to recover, and so Pac's team said, "Ok, no blood given the last 24 days before the fight." (still ridiculous). Mayweather's team agreed to not test all the way up to the fight and said they would accept no blood testing in the last 2 weeks before the fight (still unacceptable in my opinion, but whatever), and Pacquaio said no. Claimed he needed 3 weeks to recover from giving a teaspoon of blood or no fight.

That's why the 1st negotiation fell apart and also why Roach agreed that the first negotiation falling apart was their fault. They could have had a 50/50 split and a cutoff of 14 days for blood testing but refused....all for them to accept a worse deal of 0 day cut-off and 40/60 split years later.


And remember, Pacquaio also went on to demand OST from his opponents (before the Mayweather fight). No cut-off date. Obviously that didn't sit well with some who wanted the Mayweather fight in their primes.

[djtmal]

Well was it? IâÂÂm not sure.

was always under the impression Floyd wanted OST and Pacquiao did not.

I donâÂÂt know about all this cut off date stuff

I just know Floyd demanded OST out of thin air

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Floyd threw in ost at the 11th hour and try to force feed it down Mannys throat with no provocation

Nobody was agreeing to that demand in that fashion and he knew it

Manny was adament about blood testing before the fight date and immediately after. The narrative that he outright refused to blood test is false

From what i understand true osts is year round not just prior to a fight. Floyd needed time to cycle off what he was using illegal himself

After all that Floyd drama to duck a fight he didn't want the outcome was him who was popped using illegal iv with ped masking agents and you have Floyd idiot fanboys still trying to finger point in the other direction

[MalevolentBite]

Short answer No.




The task of ranking fighters ought to remain in the hands of those well-versed in the intricacies of boxing. And, in truth, it has generally been so. The reason is not difficult to discern.




Honorifics such as Hall of Famer or All-Time Great are inherently subjective. Even the holding of titles, long presumed to confer legitimacy, has lost its clarity. In the earlier decades of the sport, a single championship belt per division lent structure and gravity to the enterprise. Today, the proliferation of weight classes and the multiplication of titles often four or five per division, has rendered these distinctions diluted. This inflation of belts, not unlike the debasement of currency by lesser metals, has devalued what was once a mark of true supremacy.




Proper assessment demands that one account for the era in which a fighter competed, placing it in relation to the periods preceding and following it. No generation exists in isolation, and context is indispensable.




Furthermore, the quality of opposition must be weighed: how many ranked opponents were faced, how highly those opponents stood, and at what stage, whether early, prime, or declining the encounters occurred. The weight at which these contests happened also carries its own implications.




One must consider, too, the physiological toll of the sport. A fighter who competes frequently, while sustaining minimal damage, may enjoy a long and fruitful career. Others, though brilliant, may burn brightly and briefly, their health sacrificed for glory. The shape of a career ât its rise, peak, and descent âll must be measured with care.




In short, there exists a complexity to such evaluations that cannot be captured by the passing interest of the casual observer. It is a study for the devoted.
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I think you got it backwards.

Short Answer should be Yes. Short means quick in this context.

Long Answer should be No. Because long means it would take more detailed analysis to judge the credibility of the win. Like how we did with Mike Tyson win over Spinks and Floyd Mayweathers win over Pacquiao.

Most casual fans fall into the Short category and see the name then make the judgement. Like Canelo beating sugar Shane mosley. An detailed boxing historian would know Shane mosley was not his prime nor was he in his prime division which would be 135 & 147. So even though canelo has a hall of fame win. It wasn't really a good creditable win because of the context.

[MalevolentBite]

Bruh.... lol.

To make a long story short, they both agreed to extra testing except Pacquiao didn't want to give blood for the entire final month up til the fight, which obviously wouldn't be ideal. Mayweather's team then busted Pac giving blood for the Hatton fight 24 days before the fight to dispel the idea he needed a month to recover, and so Pac's team said, "Ok, no blood given the last 24 days before the fight." (still ridiculous). Mayweather's team agreed to not test all the way up to the fight and said they would accept no blood testing in the last 2 weeks before the fight (still unacceptable in my opinion, but whatever), and Pacquaio said no. Claimed he needed 3 weeks to recover from giving a teaspoon of blood or no fight.

That's why the 1st negotiation fell apart and also why Roach agreed that the first negotiation falling apart was their fault. They could have had a 50/50 split and a cutoff of 14 days for blood testing but refused....all for them to accept a worse deal of 0 day cut-off and 40/60 split years later.


And remember, Pacquaio also went on to demand OST from his opponents (before the Mayweather fight). No cut-off date. Obviously that didn't sit well with some who wanted the Mayweather fight in their primes.

You're right, But this will turn into a Floyd bashing session and I am honestly done at this point lol.

I would be happy if we all as adults just admit three things.

1. The fight should had happened sooner.
2. They both were at fault at some point.
3. Floyd won the fight and there are no excuses.

[MalevolentBite]

Floyd threw in ost at the 11th hour and try to force feed it down Mannys throat with no provocation

Nobody was agreeing to that demand in that fashion and he knew it

Manny was adament about blood testing before the fight date and immediately after. The narrative that he outright refused to blood test is false

From what i understand true osts is year round not just prior to a fight. Floyd needed time to cycle off what he was using illegal himself

After all that Floyd drama to duck a fight he didn't want the outcome was him who was popped using illegal iv with ped masking agents and you have Floyd idiot fanboys still trying to finger point in the other direction

Nahh man. You need to either come with facts or just admit This is your opinion and you can't prove it but you have reasonable doubt.

Thats that false narrative stuff I am talking about.