James Toney v Julian Jackson at 160 who wins in 1992

[QueensburyRules]

Oh right, you're that guy who hates James Toney.

I aint doing this with you again

- - TwoTon never met a punch he didn't walk into face first...

[The D3vil]

My god, you do understand how much of a fucking melt you sound, don’t you?

Instead of actually addressing the point and disputing what I said you instead go to ad hominem like a typical woman. Are you a woman?

This “hate” crap, honestly. Any time someone critiques a point here it’s “you’re a hater man”. You lot are adults. Are you not an adult? You sound like you’re 16 years old. Or is your brain just the equivalent to 16 years old?

How about this, and it’s very simple, how about you try actually defending your position?

How about you name ONE FIGHT where Toney “shelled up and cruised to a decision” in his career, name just one time when that happened outside of this warped fantasy land you live in.

Because I already argued with you for like 2 weeks over Toney & I don't feel like I need to put myself through such nonsense again to defend a fighter Freddie Roach called the most talented he ever had, who was a 1st ballot HOF, & at one point a consensus top 3 P4P fighter in the world.

[IronDanHamza]

Because I already argued with you for like 2 weeks over Toney & I don't feel like I need to put myself through such nonsense again to defend a fighter Freddie Roach called the most talented he ever had, who was a 1st ballot HOF, & at one point a consensus top 3 P4P fighter in the world.

Well firstly you’ve just lied there and said he was a first ballot Hall Of Famer when he objectively is not that as he didn’t get inducted until his second ballott. So like the rest of Toney’s career another example of you having absolutely no clue what you’re talking about and I’d consider getting your facts straight in future.

Secondly, nothing you’ve just said has any relevance to the topic what so ever Firstly some of it is a lie (first ballot hall of famer) and the rest is just buzzword crap. James Toney was on the P4P list for what? A couple years of his career? Meldrick Taylor was on the P4P list just as long as Toney was if not longer. So what? What kind of point is that?

Why don’t you just actually attempt to defend your absurd position.

You said Toney would beat Jackson by “shelling up and cruising to a decision” why don’t you go ahead and name ONE FIGHT where he ever did that in his career. Just ONE will do.

Go….

[MalevolentBite]

Well firstly you’ve just lied there and said he was a first ballot Hall Of Famer when he objectively is not that as he didn’t get inducted until his second ballott. So like the rest of Toney’s career another example of you having absolutely no clue what you’re talking about and I’d consider getting your facts straight in future.

Secondly, nothing you’ve just said has any relevance to the topic what so ever Firstly some of it is a lie (first ballot hall of famer) and the rest is just buzzword crap. James Toney was on the P4P list for what? A couple years of his career? Meldrick Taylor was on the P4P list just as long as Toney was if not longer. So what? What kind of point is that?

Why don’t you just actually attempt to defend your absurd position.

You said Toney would beat Jackson by “shelling up and cruising to a decision” why don’t you go ahead and name ONE FIGHT where he ever did that in his career. Just ONE will do.

Go….

Dan. You are a James toney hater for what reason idk. But James toney is a hall of famer and thats a fact and among boxing writers, fans and historians he's an all time great ( lower end)

Now could his career had been better than what it was ? Of course. However if you discredit James Toney then you are indirectly discrediting Roy Jones cuz Roy just went on the internet and said he was faded when he faced Tarver now if James toney aint nothing then what legacy does Jones have Ruiz and inexperienced at the time Hopkins?

[MalevolentBite]

Because I already argued with you for like 2 weeks over Toney & I don't feel like I need to put myself through such nonsense again to defend a fighter Freddie Roach called the most talented he ever had, who was a 1st ballot HOF, & at one point a consensus top 3 P4P fighter in the world.

Dude. Dan is a hater that lives here. 90% of this site hates American boxers and if you are a b1ack fighter ? Forget it.

It is what it is. At this point I troll with the trolls.

[IronDanHamza]

Dan. You are a James toney hater for what reason idk. But James toney is a hall of famer and thats a fact and among boxing writers, fans and historians he's an all time great ( lower end)

Now could his career had been better than what it was ? Of course. However if you discredit James Toney then you are indirectly discrediting Roy Jones cuz Roy just went on the internet and said he was faded when he faced Tarver now if James toney aint nothing then what legacy does Jones have Ruiz and inexperienced at the time Hopkins?

I didn’t say Toney isn’t a HOF’er. Yes, I am well aware James Toney was inducted into the Hall Of Fame….on the SECOND BALLOT. You do know how the ballots work, don’t you? If he got inducted on his second ballot then he is objectively NOT a FIRST BALLOT Hall of famer, is he?

Are you lot straight up retarded, or what? This is stuff children should be able to grasp.

[IronDanHamza]

Dude. Dan is a hater that lives here. 90% of this site hates American boxers and if you are a b1ack fighter ? Forget it.

It is what it is. At this point I troll with the trolls.

Yeah, at this point you obviously have learning difficulties. Yo can’t even read, it seems. And the stuff you do manage to read, you can’t comprehend it.

So I hate American and black boxers now? Really? Are you sure about that?

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah, at this point you obviously have learning difficulties. Yo can’t even read, it seems. And the stuff you do manage to read, you can’t comprehend it.

So I hate American and black boxers now? Really? Are you sure about that?

- - When in doubt, the usual suspects play the race card ignoring the rich overall inclusion of Racial diversity of boxing that saw a few American fighters including Black fighters endure the pitching sea sickening wind powered schooners to England early in Boxing's 18th Century rebirth.

[MalevolentBite]

I didn’t say Toney isn’t a HOF’er. Yes, I am well aware James Toney was inducted into the Hall Of Fame….on the SECOND BALLOT. You do know how the ballots work, don’t you? If he got inducted on his second ballot then he is objectively NOT a FIRST BALLOT Hall of famer, is he?

Are you lot straight up retarded, or what? This is stuff children should be able to grasp.

I wasnt arguing his first ballot. I was just stating hes a hall of famer and all time great. I wasn't arguing first ballot. That was irrelevant for my purpose. It seems like every where James toney is mentioned you got something negative to say. Idk if you are racist but theres definitely racist people on here. Whether that overlaps with you thats something only you can confirm. I do think you down play Americans though.

[MalevolentBite]

Yeah, at this point you obviously have learning difficulties. Yo can’t even read, it seems. And the stuff you do manage to read, you can’t comprehend it.

So I hate American and black boxers now? Really? Are you sure about that?

Yet. You understand me enough to keep responding to me lol. So if you deem me so uneducated then stop engaging with me Dan. Lol.

I cant say you personally dont like black boxers. I dont know your race. That was a general comment for most boxing websites that tend to give negativity to black American fighters. Most Europeans have a downward opinion of Americans in general regardless of race. So thats understandable if you do. Americans are some of the most hated nationalities. I guess its well deserved in a way. I just don't get the toney hate.