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Originally posted by Bronson66
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In that year Jeannette was a busy little boy 22 fights,all but 2 over nobodies, the best he faced were 163lbs Jeff Clark who drew with him and Battling Jim Johnson who took a decision off him.
Jeannette was fighting for chump change,he needed Johnson like flowers need rain.
Jeannette's manager did indeed challenge Johnson several times on Joe's behalf,unfortunately the best offer he could come up with was $10,000 for Johnson,$20,000 short of Johnson's asking price for a title defence.
Johnson fought once in1912 an easy defence against Jim Flynn for which Johnson was guaranteed $30,000,plus $1,100 training expenses plus one third of the movie rights.
Now,which fight would you take? A $10,000 offer to defend against Jeannette, or a guaranteed $30,000 plus$1.100 exes plus a third of the movie rights? Tough decision right?
Now, lets look at Jeannette's claims.
1."Ive whipped him decisively several times". Here is the real record :
Fight no1 1905 May Johnson won floored Jeannette 3 times in a 3 round fight
Johnson - who attempted to knock out the first of two men on this card - dropped Jeannette three times in round 1, but after that his opponent stuck it out and gave as much as he took. In the end both the New York Evening World and the Washington Times declared it a very even fight. UPDATE: According to a consensus of the Philadelphia newspapers, Johnson won the bout. The Philadelphia Record and Philadelphia Evening Bulletin both awarded the bout to Johnson and the Philadelphia Inquirer account stated that "Johnson seemed unable to get to Jeannette with any of his blows effectively, although the New Yorker took the count more than once to gather his wits about him when the milling got a bit warm."
Fight no21905 Nov.Jeannette won by dsq 2nd rd
JOHNSON BEATS JEANETTE
Negro Champion, However, Was Disqualified on an Alleged Foul After outclassing Joe Jeanette for a round and a half, Jack Johnson, The Negro Heavyweight Champion of the World, lost the bout at the National Athletic Club last night on an alleged foul. Jeanette, after being thumped in lively fashion in the first round, assumed a crouching pose in the second round. He undertook to run in and clinch, ducking a vicious left hand swing. Johnson ripped a right hand hook up for Jeanette's jaw. The latter dropped to the floor, writhing in apparent agony. He claimed to have been struck a foul blow. He was removed to the dressing room and the club physician substantiated his claim. Johnson was promptly disqualified. Jeanette professed to be in great pain and lay in his dressing room in apparent agony. It is understood that the police proposed to keep Johnson, Jeanette and the club official under surveillance.
Philadelphia Public Ledger
This is a bit different to Jeannette's " version".
"he deliberately and maliciously fouled me,to save himself from defeat".
Johnson was never DSQ'd again in76 fights it was the 2rd round of a fight he was winning handily,so what would be the motive for him to foul Jeannette ? Which version of this fight do you honestly believe?
Fight no3 1905 Dec Johnson wins 6rds.This was the day after Johnson had beaten
Young PeterJackson over 12 rds! Johnson dropped Jeannette once in the 5th round and 3 times in the 6th and last round.Philadelphia Public Ledger dec3rd 1905
Fight no4Jan 1906Johnson wins over 3 rds.
"Johnson won decisively per Binghamton NY Press"
Fight no 5 March1906.
Johnson wins the decision 15rds. The local Baltimore Sun felt Johnson carried Jeannette. Baltimore Sun March 15th 1906.
The Police Gazette felt it was doubtful Jeannette could have lasted another round.Police Gazette 1906. March31st
Fight no 6.Sep1906Johnson wins a NWS decision over 6rds.
The Police Gazette Oct 6th 1906.Said Johnson was not trying too hard to win by a wide margin and delayed forcing matters,He was looking for an easy ride.Johnson however earned the decision without displaying too much of his real fighting ability.
The Freeman said.It was a very tame affair.Johnson was a great deal too much for Jeannette.Inthe second round Jeannette drew blood from Johnson's eye ,but after thatJohnson knocked him at will.
The Freeman went on to say.
Johnson is the only man who has a chance to defeat Jeffries,should Jeffries be induced to comeback by the ever increasing large purses.
It is evidently a fact that Jack Johnson is more of an equal of Jim Jeffries today than any other man in the business today.He long ago demonstrated that fact.
He has terrific power in both arms,and can deliver a very stiff punch.There is no doubt he will certainly have a good time outdoing.
Twelve days after Johnson beat JimJeffords
Fight 7Nov1906
Johnson and Jeannette drew over 10rds Pollack includes around by round report of this fight in his 1st Johnson biography.Johnson left hooked Jeannette to the canvas in the last round ,and the count reached 5 before the final bell was rung.
"The local paper called it a draw, though it also said Johnson was the cleverer boxer and ring general and slightly outclassed Jeannette. Research done by Adam Pollack."
Now explain to me how Jeannette got the better of Johnson in their 7 fight series?
In1912 Jeannette was fighting for peanuts and made up a lot of BS to try and hype a title shot between himself and Champion Jack.
Just Langford did when he said he had floored Johnson in their fight,we know he didn't ,and we know Johnson floored him 3 times for long 9 counts.
It's called promoting!
If the best you can come up with is Jeannette's own account of his series with Johnson[hardly an un biased source!,]I think we are correct in assuming you aren't interested in the truth but just in propagating just a lot of anti Johnson propaganda.
Now Ive spent too much time on this, especially as you will disregard it outright,but at least when you do, other posters will be able to read it and make their own mind up about who is objective and posting primary sources,and who is just intent on talking BS to support his anti Johnson agenda.
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