Jack johnson - How good was his chin?

[Willie Pep 229]

This is a plausible reason for Jeffries exclusion,Langford unlike Johnson never rocked the boat or challenged the status quo.

Langford did turn down a fight with Al Kaufman,I have no explanation as to why .

According to The Argus (Melbourne) on August 15, 1910, there was a scheduled contest in San Francisco between “A. Kaufmann and Sam. Langford” that was subsequently cancelled. The cancellation was reportedly because Langford demanded $7,500 to enter the ring, a fee deemed excessive at the time.

I wonder what the 'white' guy was getting paid?

This seems reasonable to me, I just don't see Langford running scared.

[Bronson66]

According to The Argus (Melbourne) on August 15, 1910, there was a scheduled contest in San Francisco between “A. Kaufmann and Sam. Langford” that was subsequently cancelled. The cancellation was reportedly because Langford demanded $7,500 to enter the ring, a fee deemed excessive at the time.

I wonder what the 'white' guy was getting paid?

This seems reasonable to me, I just don't see Langford running scared.

Thanks for taking the trouble to find that


Langford was due to fight at the Phillies Ball park,the fight was cancelled.
"Boxing" September 17th edition said this
Is Langford A Faker? They said Langford had planned an easy 6 rounds semi exhibition wit Kaufman but was informed he needed to be in shape for a real fight.Langford then said he wasn't in shape for such a big guy, and requested an additional weeks training.
His request was denied,he then asked for additional money,and a guarantee he would be paid before the contest.
The fights promoter,Harry Edwards then involved the Police.The Assistant Superintendant stated.

"You tell Langford,and his manager,that I will be at ringside.I know boxing when I see it.
He will deliver the goods,and he will do it without getting his money beforehand.
If he fakes,I will run him in.
Several fighters are now serving time in the West for pulling off what Langford plans to do.
He will not get away with it here in Philadelphia.
So long as I am in office,and connected with the Department of Public Safety ,the sport of boxing will be kept clean." Langford is said to have then left town followed later by his manager. chapter 12 page 158 Sam Langford by Clay Moyle.

Langford claimed his biggest purse was against Iron Hague $10,000.

[Dempsey-Roll]

He absorbed punches better than many of his era.

[GhostofDempsey]

Predictably you've turned another Johnson thread into a," lets hate onJohnson ,"one.

We have a trio of you doing this ,ignoring verified facts and posted primary sources,all motivated by hate.
I'll get back to you on this today but you will just ignore the facts as you always have.
You know what you posted is a publicity blurb full of lies, but still you posted it , desperate to dump on Johnson who died before even I was born.WTF is wrong with you?

I post plenty of valid sources, you just want to hero-worship Johnson. This thread posed the question of whether or not he had a good chin. I answered that question and then threw cold water on the unconditional praise he receives from certain posters who rarely post anything here unless it is racially motivated.

Johnson in his own words insisted he would never fight them. It’s not a lie, slander or agenda, it’s a fact. Every time someone posts a valid source you dismiss it. Just like the other clown.

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[Bronson66]

I post plenty of valid sources, you just want to hero-worship Johnson. This thread posed the question of whether or not he had a good chin. I answered that question and then threw cold water on the unconditional praise he receives from certain posters who rarely post anything here unless it is racially motivated.

Johnson in his own words insisted he would never fight them. It’s not a lie, slander or agenda, it’s a fact. Every time someone posts a valid source you dismiss it. Just like the other clown.

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An anonymous source is not a primary one.

I posted that Johnson signed to defend against all those three.

I gave the full details of each proposed defence.

I posted the reasons they did not happen.

You've posted not one single primary source.

McKetrik was Jeannette's manager FFS! Objective?

You posted Johnson was lucky not to lose to battling Jim Johnson,you didnt mention he was fighting with a broken arm,I have a ringside round by round report of that fight.
Your statement is not supported by the facts.

Your argument that Johnson did not have a good chin is based on .
1.A spar in which an acknowledged heavy puncher put him through the ropes.Johnson did not end his sparring then as you stated.he continued sparring with 3 more partners.

How many champions have but put through the ropes/floored in sparring?

Rocky Marciano was floored by Toxie Hall whilst sparring for the ****ell fight.

Charley Goldman sent him for a shower.
Does This mean Marciano had a weak chin ?

Vitali Klitschko was floored by 2 of his sparring partners Raphael Butler and Travis Walker.

Was his chin weak?

https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...cked-down-twic


Mike Tyson was floored by Greg Page,did Tyson have a weak chin?

Sonny Liston was floored in Sweden by Ray Patterson, weak chin?

There is a documented story that Jim Corbett dropped Jim Jeffries in a spar on a hand ball court,was Jeffries chin suspect?

2. Johnson was floored by Ketchel, if it was legit do you not think Ketchel had the power to drop heavyweights? He stopped Porky Flynn.

I pointed out that several men Ketchel's size Fitzsimmons, Langford regularly knocked down, and knocked out
heavyweights,were their victims weak chinned?


This is your sole basis for saying Johnson chin was weak .

When I pointed out he was actually only ko'd twice in76 fights you said ,well they were all past their prime or small.

I then posted examples of big men ,he fought who did not floor him.

Your reply was they were all either washed up or no hopers.
See below
Klon***e 6ft 200lbsx3 The only one to floor him.
McCormick 6ft 2 1/ 2 175lbs
Scanlan 5 ft 11 1/2 170's lbs
Everett 6 ft1/2 185 /225 lbs
Griffin 6 ft 1 180lbs x3
Kennedy 6ft 2 200lbs+
Russell 6ft 3 ?
Martin 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
McVey 5 ft 10 203lbs
Ferguson 6 ft 3 1/2 ?x5
Butler 6ft 1/2 ?
McVey 5ft 10 206lbs
Ferguson 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
McVey 5 ft 10 207lbs
Martin 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
Jeffords 6ft 4 ?
Munroe 5ft 111/ 2 225lbs +
Ferguson 6 ft 3 1/2x4
Jeannette 5ft 10 1/2 185/190lbs x7
Felix 6ft 3 183lbs
Ross 5 ft 9 214lbs
Kaufman 6ft 1 191lbs
Jeffries 6ft 225lbs
Johnson5ft 10[estimates vary] 222 1/4lbs
Moran 6 ft 1 203lbs He landed a big right with his Mary Ann,Johnson stood back and applauded him,it's on film.
Lodge 6ft 4 227lbs
Lester 6 ft 3 1/2 225lbs


42 fights with the above . A 76 fight total so he fought plenty of decent sized heavyweights quite a few of whom outweighed him and were taller.
Your excuse was Johnson did a lot of holding ,so did this stop these men from landing anything significant on him?
Your obvious response should have been, Johnson had excellent defence ,but you couldn't bring yourself to say that could you.


I'm 76 I don't hero worship anyone.

Who are these racially motivated fans of Johnson?

You've made an unsupported statement yet again

Now name them?

For the record my favourite fighter is Dempsey.Irony?

Johnson is not in my top 20 favourites,
I prefer guys like.
Langford.
Moore
Foster
Duran
Ali
Holmes
Corrales
Robinson
Trinidad
Pacquiao
Golovkin
Hagler
Hearns
Barrera
Pintor
Carbajal
Napoles
R Leonard
Chavez
Ike Wiliams
Beterbiev
Benavidez


I'm just interested in establishing the truth, something that, on this subject, isn't high on your list of priorities.

Now you've exhausted all your excuses, you've resorted to calling me and Travestyny names.

Ghost , you're not worth the time I spent on you.

You're Just A Hater.
It's a shame because you have a lot to offer the forum,just not on the subject of Jack Johnson! lol

[travestyny]

LMAO. Ohhhh, according to Jeannette's manager, eh?

[Bronson66]

LMAO. Ohhhh, according to Jeannette's manager, eh?

A totally unbiased source! lol

[QueensburyRules]

- - What the Brits call a soft lad...

Jack Johnson

53 11 8 6 KO losses

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[Bronson66]

- - What the Brits call a soft lad...

Jack Johnson

53 11 8 6 KO losses

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Johnson was ko'd 3 times.

By Choynski when still green.

By Willard at 37, when he was exhausted after battling a giant for over 70 minutes.

By Bearcat Wright when Johnson was 50 years old.

You're not very good at this baiting game are you Q? LOL

[GhostofDempsey]

An anonymous source is not a primary one.

I posted that Johnson signed to defend against all those three.

I gave the full details of each proposed defence.

I posted the reasons they did not happen.

You've posted not one single primary source.

McKetrik was Jeannette's manager FFS! Objective?

You posted Johnson was lucky not to lose to battling Jim Johnson,you didnt mention he was fighting with a broken arm,I have a ringside round by round report of that fight.
Your statement is not supported by the facts.

Your argument that Johnson did not have a good chin is based on .
1.A spar in which an acknowledged heavy puncher put him through the ropes.Johnson did not end his sparring then as you stated.he continued sparring with 3 more partners.

How many champions have but put through the ropes/floored in sparring?

Rocky Marciano was floored by Toxie Hall whilst sparring for the ****ell fight.

Charley Goldman sent him for a shower.
Does This mean Marciano had a weak chin ?

Vitali Klitschko was floored by 2 of his sparring partners Raphael Butler and Travis Walker.

Was his chin weak?

https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...cked-down-twic


Mike Tyson was floored by Greg Page,did Tyson have a weak chin?

Sonny Liston was floored in Sweden by Ray Patterson, weak chin?

There is a documented story that Jim Corbett dropped Jim Jeffries in a spar on a hand ball court,was Jeffries chin suspect?

2. Johnson was floored by Ketchel, if it was legit do you not think Ketchel had the power to drop heavyweights? He stopped Porky Flynn.

I pointed out that several men Ketchel's size Fitzsimmons, Langford regularly knocked down, and knocked out
heavyweights,were their victims weak chinned?


This is your sole basis for saying Johnson chin was weak .

When I pointed out he was actually only ko'd twice in76 fights you said ,well they were all past their prime or small.

I then posted examples of big men ,he fought who did not floor him.

Your reply was they were all either washed up or no hopers.
See below
Klon***e 6ft 200lbsx3 The only one to floor him.
McCormick 6ft 2 1/ 2 175lbs
Scanlan 5 ft 11 1/2 170's lbs
Everett 6 ft1/2 185 /225 lbs
Griffin 6 ft 1 180lbs x3
Kennedy 6ft 2 200lbs+
Russell 6ft 3 ?
Martin 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
McVey 5 ft 10 203lbs
Ferguson 6 ft 3 1/2 ?x5
Butler 6ft 1/2 ?
McVey 5ft 10 206lbs
Ferguson 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
McVey 5 ft 10 207lbs
Martin 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
Jeffords 6ft 4 ?
Munroe 5ft 111/ 2 225lbs +
Ferguson 6 ft 3 1/2x4
Jeannette 5ft 10 1/2 185/190lbs x7
Felix 6ft 3 183lbs
Ross 5 ft 9 214lbs
Kaufman 6ft 1 191lbs
Jeffries 6ft 225lbs
Johnson5ft 10[estimates vary] 222 1/4lbs
Moran 6 ft 1 203lbs He landed a big right with his Mary Ann,Johnson stood back and applauded him,it's on film.
Lodge 6ft 4 227lbs
Lester 6 ft 3 1/2 225lbs


42 fights with the above . A 76 fight total so he fought plenty of decent sized heavyweights quite a few of whom outweighed him and were taller.
Your excuse was Johnson did a lot of holding ,so did this stop these men from landing anything significant on him?
Your obvious response should have been, Johnson had excellent defence ,but you couldn't bring yourself to say that could you.


I'm 76 I don't hero worship anyone.

Who are these racially motivated fans of Johnson?

You've made an unsupported statement yet again

Now name them?

For the record my favourite fighter is Dempsey.Irony?

Johnson is not in my top 20 favourites,
I prefer guys like.
Langford.
Moore
Foster
Duran
Ali
Holmes
Corrales
Robinson
Trinidad
Pacquiao
Golovkin
Hagler
Hearns
Barrera
Pintor
Carbajal
Napoles
R Leonard
Chavez
Ike Wiliams
Beterbiev
Benavidez


I'm just interested in establishing the truth, something that, on this subject, isn't high on your list of priorities.

Now you've exhausted all your excuses, you've resorted to calling me and Travestyny names.

Ghost , you're not worth the time I spent on you.

You're Just A Hater.
It's a shame because you have a lot to offer the forum,just not on the subject of Jack Johnson! lol

The quote I posted was from Jack Johnson’s autobiography written in 1927. It’s his own words. Published while he was alive and well. Never disputed. As I said, you cherry pick sources to suit your agenda and dismiss everyone else’s. Always quick with a deflection or excuse.

Johnson was floored by much smaller men. Ones who were too fast for him and he couldn’t bear hug his way to victory. The big men you cite are a long list of never-was or washed up opponents.

Aww, you defending Travy just because he agrees with you? lol. He is a race-obsessed poster who only contributes to threads regarding him Johnson, Wills, Dempsey or Floyd. He has zero boxing knowledge, it’s all selective Googling. Let’s not pretend that either of you haven’t done your share of name-calling. I have the quotes and can provide plenty of screenshots.