ABC org and Vit Klit lovers and Lewis haters...

[billeau2]

I'm a little lost, seems like there's a context to this I missed.


You guys should remember this better than I do I'd think. Given you were grown ass men. Y'all forgot Rahman? Really? He wasn't a bad HW ...

Apparently Vitali felt the same.

[billeau2]

I remember Vits rescheduling a few of time for Rahman. I don't remember the particulars personally. This wasn't just a fan writing a post, it was an article on this site. Don't know if that makes it better, but there it is. The fact is though, and I have looked it up, is Vits kept putting Rahman off. Funny thing is I don't doubt he would of won. But the Lewis haters like to say he ducked a rematch. If that's true.......than tell me about Rahman? I like the Klitschko's....I can't stand their fans.

I also remember the rescheduling. I never thought much of it because I never considered Vitali at the level of a real champion. There was no reason to give him the lineal, and no reason I can see to give him any official belt given who he was fighting.

[JAB5239]

I also remember the rescheduling. I never thought much of it because I never considered Vitali at the level of a real champion. There was no reason to give him the lineal, and no reason I can see to give him any official belt given who he was fighting.

So why are there a certain faction of fans claiming Lewis ducked Vits? And why is any ABC fan in favor of what happened? Total BS in my opinion and I don't expect much from anyone who supports or excuses this. We'll see though.

[billeau2]

So why are there a certain faction of fans claiming Lewis ducked Vits? And why is any ABC fan in favor of what happened? Total BS in my opinion and I don't expect much from anyone who supports or excuses this. We'll see though.

People do not question authority and do not look at things carefully. What one would do as an intelligent person is LOOK at the kind of information you posted, and not assume it is true... But then, see if a pattern emerges. Vitali, a smart man, with intelligence and ethics appears to be a reasonable man. However, he quit against Byrd, never rematched, rescheduled many fights, never fought top calibre opposition. What emerges is a totality of circumstances. No one of these events by itself is indicative, but together? They tell a story.

Ditto for Lewis. A man who always fought whom the fans requested, even defying the alphabets. Always revenged his losses, and who had no real reason to grant a rematch to Vitali. A pattern emerges, a totality of circumstances. Only then do things fall into place. We see that during the fight lewis did not win on a fluke... We see that Vitali was never known for giving it all in the ring, why would such a man deserve another shot at the apple?

Fans are great on a consensus level in many regards, but the media can also manipulate public opinion and create really unfair assertions about fighters. Fans often do not know when they are being had.

[JAB5239]

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Hellleluajh......boxing fans rejoice!! Let's get to the nitty gritty. My whole point, the narrative of the last few months....you can't claim a duck for one guy and protect the actions of another. Lewis retired.....never came back....so idlf you want to claim he ducked.....than please explain this. I doubt wr f)ind one truthful answer to it.[/QUOTE]

Lol......sorry I pulled a Queenie!!

[Willow The Wisp]

Lol......sorry I pulled a Queenie!!

Some quirky numbers.
Quite a few casual but active fans watch and watch, in hopes of seeing a wreck. Just thirsty for some carnage. This applies to auto racing, or combat sports.

Me? I wait for the Tunneys, the Marcianos and the Lewis's. Earn a big pile, go out on top, with your health intact.
Because they've all earned the privilege.


I always calculate the Odds, loosely, something like this, for the plausibility of earth rendering up a heavyweight champion:

8,222,000,000 People on earth
4,098,000,000 Men on earth
1,700,000,000 Age to box
960,000,000 Healthy enough to box
230,000,000. Tough enough to box
58,000,000. Brave enough to box as a vocation
15,000,000. Athletic enough to be good
7,000,000 Durable enough to be good
6,700,000. Access to the sport
1,300,000 Heavyweight sized adults
3,077. Active Pro Heavyweights
11 Top contenders
1 World Champion

A rare individual indeed. Respect is due.



Birthdates show why Lennox Lewis owed Vitali Klitschko just ONE bite at the apple.

Champion. Born.
John L. Sullivan. 1858
James J. Corbett. 1866. 8 yrs Dif

James J. Jeffries. 1875
Jack Johnson. 1878. 3 yrs Dif

Joe Louis. 1914
Ezzard Charles. 1921. 7 yrs Dif

Sonny Liston. 1930
Muhammad Ali. 1942. 12 yrs Dif

Muhammad Ali. 1942
Larry Holmes. 1949. 7 yrs Dif

Lennox Lewis. 1965
Vitali Klitschko. 1971. 6 yrs Dif

.....Different Eras!

[QueensburyRules]

Wow, for all the ABC lovers, Lewis detractors because he retired, and Vitaly Klitschko lovers......please explain this!! And don't ever talk about Lewis retiring to avoid Vits again!

https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...itschkos-ducks

- - It OK U like sissy fighters, but best not advertise it.

[JAB5239]

- - It OK U like sissy fighters, but best not advertise it.

I wouldn't call Vits a sissy, but its pretty obvious he ducked Rahman. Thanks for your insightful reply.

[Biledriver]

If Klitlickers could read, they'd be really pissed about this thread The Lennox haters? We know what their issue is: He wasn't they see as a REAL Brit/European is (ie not having skin darker than milk) and they'd never accept him as one of their own. Hence why they needed their Great Whyte Copes in the Klits/Eastern Euros to play Captain Save-A-Ho for their Aryan pride.

[Marchegiano]

Just to be super clear and in plain speech; I do not believe champions are afraid of physical punishment.


I don't think Lewey was scared of Vitali or that Vitali was bothered by Rahman. It's all about maximizing advantages and gains really.


On retirement specifically, I don't really ever count them as ducks. Corbett wasn't ducking he was trying to be a star. I think he made it most clear. He'll take that ass whoopin if it sets him up better than any other option. They all will.


So, okay, retired as a negotiation tactic, sure, if that's what you think no argument, but retired to avoid losing. Uh, ain't that the point of retirement? Can't beat Marciano bro. He wasn't avoiding anyone but damn sure avoided them L's doe.

Tunney retired specifically to avoid an L from no one in particular.

To know your end and settle it is a strength not a weakness. Takes a great fighter, imo, and that's why the list is short but strong AF. Jeffries, Tunney, Marciano, and Lewis are some of the finest examples of boxers our history has to offer. I didn't say HWs.