Rating Rocky Marciano's resume

[Bronson66]

Blah blah blah you go when I make points.

I'm using the box rec weights. You have been told 100X..

It is a matter of public record that neither Johnson or O Brien weighed in for their fight, weights given were," guestimates," nor did Johnson and Choysnki,I don't know how many times you have been corrected on this,but you still compulsively persist in lying.It's a sickness.

[Dr Z]

It is a matter of public record that neither Johnson or O Brien weighed in for their fight, weights given were," guestimates," nor did Johnson and Choysnki,I don't know how many times you have been corrected on this,but you still compulsively persist in lying.It's a sickness.

DUDE, read post #44 as it is factualy correct



Johnson was not a large man! He was 6 feet and 1/2 inches tall with a 74" reach.

Johnosn fought four small men at heavyweight.


Choynski who is under 175 pounds who KO'd him.

O'Brien who was 162.5 and according to some primary sources got the better of him in what they call at Box Rec a " news draw. "

Ketchel a middleweight who floored him, but was out matched.

And of course the 5'7" 168 pound Tommy Bruns.

Next to them, he was a giant!


He was also pretty much TKO'd in an exhibition match in 1909 vs. Gun Boat Smith who was about 180 pounds.

Point being all the above men we lighter than Rocky.

[Bronson66]

DUDE, read post #44 as it is factualy correct



Johnson was not a large man! He was 6 feet and 1/2 inches tall with a 74" reach.

Johnosn fought four small men at heavyweight.


Choynski who is under 175 pounds who KO'd him.

O'Brien who was 162.5 and according to some primary sources got the better of him in what they call at Box Rec a " news draw. "

Ketchel a middleweight who floored him, but was out matched.

And of course the 5'7" 168 pound Tommy Bruns.

Next to them, he was a giant!


He was also pretty much TKO'd in an exhibition match in 1909 vs. Gun Boat Smith who was about 180 pounds.

Point being all the above men we lighter than Rocky.

You have no idea what Choynski weighed for that fight,Pollack has researched both men's respective careers at that point and states they were around the same weight. OBrien and Johnson DID NOT WEIGH in both men verbally gave their weights.Those in attendance believed O Brien and Johnson both underestimated their poundage,Johnson was described as looking several pounds over the weight he offered.All you have is Box rec to go on, I have 5 books on Johnson and know there was no weigh in if you want to persist in this silly charade .
PROVIDE A PRIMARY SOURCE THAT STATES THEY WEIGHED IN AND WHAT THEIR WEIGHTS WERE.
You won't and we both know it!
Stlli insisting Johnson was tkod by Smith? How many times has this old yarn been blow out of the water? By me and Klompton among others.
It was a spar and in Smith's own words ,in a taped interview he knocked Johnson through the ropes.No tko which you cannot have in a spar anyway and Johnson sparred a further 6 rounds with 3 different partners afterwards,and I gave their names on here not too long ago.
You compulsive and deliberate lying is so ridiculously asinine,that you make yourself look a bigger fool than usual,and that is some feat! lol

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ROCKY MARCIANO.

IT IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BASH JACK JOHNSON
I'm sure Them Apples would be grateful if we could get back on track to the subject.Show some respect to the OP ,stop derailing,his thread!

[Bronson66]

- - Floyd couldn't handle Joey Maxim then. No way anyone would make that fight in their timelines.

Q,the Maxim verdict was debateable.

[Dr Z]

You have no idea what Choynski weighed for that fight,Pollack has researched both men's respective careers at that point and states they were around the same weight. OBrien and Johnson DID NOT WEIGH in both men verbally gave their weights.Those in attendance believed O Brien and Johnson both underestimated their poundage,Johnson was described as looking several pounds over the weight he offered.All you have is Box rec to go on, I have 5 books on Johnson and know there was no weigh in if you want to persist in this silly charade .
PROVIDE A PRIMARY SOURCE THAT STATES THEY WEIGHED IN AND WHAT THEIR WEIGHTS WERE.
You won't and we both know it!
Stlli insisting Johnson was tkod by Smith? How many times has this old yarn been blow out of the water? By me and Klompton among others.
It was a spar and in Smith's own words ,in a taped interview he knocked Johnson through the ropes.No tko which you cannot have in a spar anyway and Johnson sparred a further 6 rounds with 3 different partners afterwards,and I gave their names on here not too long ago.
You compulsive and deliberate lying is so ridiculously asinine,that you make yourself look a bigger fool than usual,and that is some feat! lol

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ROCKY MARCIANO.

IT IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BASH JACK JOHNSON
I'm sure Them Apples would be grateful if we could get back on track to the subject.Show some respect to the OP ,stop derailing,his thread!

NOR do you. I said he was under 175 pounds . Joe has a listed weight of 165 and 163 in 1900. He fought Jack Johnson in 1901! Again I quote Box Rec weights on O'brein and Johnson. Can you read?

I said Johnson was TKO'd by Smith in 1909 in an exhibition match! His manager halted the action when Jack was down and saw stars, according to the NY Times. Do you want the news read for the 10th time?

Now back to Rocky who pretty much fought the best out there as champion.

[Bronson66]

NOR do you. I said he was under 175 pounds . Joe has a listed weight of was 165 and 163 in 1900. He foguth Jack Johson in 1901! Again I quote Box Rec weights on O'brein and Johnson. Can you read?

I said Johnson was TKO'd by Smith in 1909 in an exhibition match! His manager halted the action when Jack was down and saw stars, according to the NY Times. Do you want the new read for the 10th time?

Now ack to Rocky who pretty much fought the best out there as champion.

Usual unintelligible gibberish,I know you are desperate for my attention,well sorry,I've better things to do on this Good Friday than conversing with a moron.Bye!

[QueensburyRules]

Q,the Maxim verdict was debateable.

- - Every decision is debatable if not corrupted because of the unintelligible non transparent way boxing has traditionally conducted their bizness.

[Bronson66]

- - Every decision is debatable if not corrupted because of the unintelligible non transparent way boxing has traditionally conducted their bizness.

This is often true,I was just pointing out that many thought Floyd deserving of the verdict.

"Floyd Patterson, the 19 year old Olympic graduate, won a "newspaper decision" over Joey Maxim last night, but the cagey ex-light heavyweight champion grabbed the verdict that counts - a unanimous if unpopular vote by the three officials. A poll of 11 boxing writers at the ringside at Brooklyn's Eastern Parkway Arena was unanimous for Patterson over his 32 year old opponent. Patterson, using a spectacular leaping right hand lead battered Maxim in the 6th, staggering him twice. Joey fought back gamely under bursts of fire by Patterson grabbing when in danger." -Associated Press

• Attendance - 2,350
• Gate - $4,100.00

Unofficial scorecards

• AP - 4-3-1 Patterson
• UP - 4-3-1 Patterson

[Willie Pep 229]

This is often true,I was just pointing out that many thought Floyd deserving of the verdict.

"Floyd Patterson, the 19 year old Olympic graduate, won a "newspaper decision" over Joey Maxim last night, but the cagey ex-light heavyweight champion grabbed the verdict that counts - a unanimous if unpopular vote by the three officials. A poll of 11 boxing writers at the ringside at Brooklyn's Eastern Parkway Arena was unanimous for Patterson over his 32 year old opponent. Patterson, using a spectacular leaping right hand lead battered Maxim in the 6th, staggering him twice. Joey fought back gamely under bursts of fire by Patterson grabbing when in danger." -Associated Press

• Attendance - 2,350
• Gate - $4,100.00

Unofficial scorecards

• AP - 4-3-1 Patterson
• UP - 4-3-1 Patterson

I am staggered by the horrible gate.

That works out to less than $2 a seat.

Did you drop a zero? I hope you did.

Was the fight televised? Radio? Maybe there is uncounted monies there.

Boy these guys didn't make much money.

[Willie Pep 229]

Just found some more info regarding the Patterson-Maxim go.

It was broadcast on Channel 7 (WBKB and ABC affiliate) 9:00 PM. (8 rounds).

But . . .

The Archie Moore vs. Bert Whitehurst 10 rounds/no title at stake was also scheduled against it. (WGN an independent station. Channel 9 Chicago) 9:00 PM

............

So there was more money avaiable than just the gate. It looks like, as early as 1954, television was more important to boxing than the live gate.

The tickets were probably cheap to ensure they had a decent size crowd to display to the home TV audience.

Imagine TV having two fights compete against eachother in the same time slot. The golden age of television boxing for sure.

P.S. TV Guide credits Nat Fleischer for compiling the fighters statistics.

TV Guide also printed a score sheet for viewers, (see bottom of page,) but they must of seen the Archie Moore 10 rounder as more important.

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