Fury's retirements and the lineal championship

[JAB5239]

The Tyson Fury who came back defending his imaginary lineal title against Sefer Seferi and Francesco Pianetta would have lost to Charles Martin. And if Martin had fought the version of Tyson Fury who drew with Wilder in their first fight, my money would have been on Martin.

At the time when Fury and Wilder fought each other they had just one win over a current top 10 ranked opponent between the pair of them!

So why were they number 1 and 2 in the division? Because Queensberry, Top Rank and PBC said so?

Well you know what they say "a fool and his money are soon parted".

Ok, but you're failing to look at the records of the rest of the top 10 at that point. They were clearly the best.

[kafkod]

I'm not sure about a tournament, but what achieved lineal when he was number one, Vits was number two and they wouldn't fight, so when he beat number 3 Chgaev he became the lineal champion.

Earlier in this thread you told me you accepted TBRB's version of the HW lineage. And according to TBRB, Wlad became lineal champion when he beat Povetkin, not Chagaev. That illustrates how shaky and unreliable this lineal title bull**** really is.

[Willow The Wisp]

That illustrates how shaky and unreliable this lineal title bull**** really is.

Do you have any evidence for that?

[kafkod]

Well you know what they say "a fool and his money are soon parted".

Ok, but you're failing to look at the records of the rest of the top 10 at that point. They were clearly the best.

Based on what? Wilder's best win was the geriatric Luis Ortiz. And we've seen what happens whenever Deontay fights a real top 10 contender. He was the epitome of a protected paper champion.

[kafkod]

Do you have any evidence for that?

https://tbrb.org/successions

Yes.

[JAB5239]

Based on what? Wilder's best win was the geriatric Luis Ortiz. And we've seen what happens whenever Deontay fights a real top 10 contender. He was the epitome of a protected paper champion.

Whoa.....what about Bermaine stiverne who he beat for his trinket? You can't have it both ways, and you're still not looking at what the rest of the top 10 was doing which completely destroys your case. Lineal is much better than ABC. If not you can explain Martin, Ruiz and a host of other titlists that were never seen as champions.

[JAB5239]

Earlier in this thread you told me you accepted TBRB's version of the HW lineage. And according to TBRB, Wlad became lineal champion when he beat Povetkin, not Chagaev. That illustrates how shaky and unreliable this lineal title bull**** really is.

You're going to have to point out where.if i misspoke it doesn't change the fact. If memorie serves i said wlad fought the most boring fight against Povetkin. And i will argu that until the cows come home . It was an atrocious fight. But it doesn't change the facts no matter your opinion.

[QueensburyRules]

You're going to have to point out where.if i misspoke it doesn't change the fact. If memorie serves i said wlad fought the most boring fight against Povetkin. And i will argu that until the cows come home . It was an atrocious fight. But it doesn't change the facts no matter your opinion.

- - Don't change U know squat. Wlad bounced Pov off the ropes all night whether by punch or throw.

Did it in Russia as Ukraine was at war with Russia in front of Pu tin which is a better win than any American fighter that year.

[kafkod]

You're going to have to point out where.if i misspoke it doesn't change the fact. If memorie serves i said wlad fought the most boring fight against Povetkin. And i will argu that until the cows come home . It was an atrocious fight. But it doesn't change the facts no matter your opinion.

Earlier in this thread you told me you followed TBRB rankings. I was just pointing out that TBRB didn't recognise the winner of Wlad/Chagaev as lineal champion. Other ratings sites did, but not TBRB. That's what I mean by saying lineal championship recognition is not always objective. Sometimes it's based on subjective opinions, which can differ

[JAB5239]

Earlier in this thread you told me you accepted TBRB's version of the HW lineage. And according to TBRB, Wlad became lineal champion when he beat Povetkin, not Chagaev. That illustrates how shaky and unreliable this lineal title bull**** really is.

I said i use their rankings. You're splitting hairs though. Wlad WAS the lineal champion, whether it be Chagaev or Povetkin he won it against. I was always under the impression it was Chagaev. You want to recognise several belts as being world champion. How many worlds do you live in? There can be only one. Fury won it from Wlad, and Usyk from Fury. Or do you believe Dubois is the heavyweight champion, because he holds a shiny belt Usyk in all reality has no need for?