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  • #11
    Originally posted by Engine512 View Post
    To his credit he did beat Ken Norton by a decision with a bum shoulder, and no money for sparring partners. At least that is what they say
    - - Kenny beat him up so badly that he caved in his shoulder. It was a split decision for Tubby Lar who was still by a margin of 0.0012%, yet it was a fine fight for all including us.

    Only thing wrong is Lar has the personality and looks of a rattlesnake not to mention which is why he couldn't draw flies.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post
      Heres the thing, according the general boxing history fan populous EVERY heavyweight era, except for the late 60s-70s & 1990s, was a weak era. I know some years back I posited what was the third best heavyweight era, I don't remember what the consensus was, but I am sure most fans would decry it as weak
      I agree, Dee. But sports fans in general, and boxing fans in particular; are far better at cynicism than they are at lining up the fact and reason. As to the question; Climbling and defending roster, R. Bobick, R. Williams, Prater, Sanford, Arrington, Shavers, Norton, Evangelista, Ocasio, Weaver, Zannon, L. Jones, Ledoux, Ali*, Berbick, L. Spinks, Snipes, Cooney, Cobb, Rodriguez, Witherspoon, Frank, M. Frazier, Smith, Bey and C. Williams represent a good scalp collection in anyone's book. Missed opponents like Tate, Coetzee, Dokes, Page and Thomas would have been just more of the same; and each of them, in turn, blew their shot at the real title.

      This was neither an extra great era, nor a weak one, IMO.
      The gold-standard for weak might be, say; 2002 - 2009. Abysmal period.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post

        I agree, Dee. But sports fans in general, and boxing fans in particular; are far better at cynicism than they are at lining up the fact and reason. As to the question; Climbling and defending roster, R. Bobick, R. Williams, Prater, Sanford, Arrington, Shavers, Norton, Evangelista, Ocasio, Weaver, Zannon, L. Jones, Ledoux, Ali*, Berbick, L. Spinks, Snipes, Cooney, Cobb, Rodriguez, Witherspoon, Frank, M. Frazier, Smith, Bey and C. Williams represent a good scalp collection in anyone's book. Missed opponents like Tate, Coetzee, Dokes, Page and Thomas would have been just more of the same; and each of them, in turn, blew their shot at the real title.

        This was neither an extra great era, nor a weak one, IMO.
        The gold-standard for weak might be, say; 2002 - 2009. Abysmal period.
        - - Somehow Tubby Lar who used to be skinny missed fighting every WBA champ, about a half dozen. Then refused to fight the WBC champs when he fled to the fledgling IBF title for soft lads founded by a soon to be jail felon.

        But boy howdy, he near stroked hisself into apoplexy over trying to fight Mike Tyson who literally crucified Lar.

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        • #14
          Larry, did not have adaquit time, or preparation to fight Mike Tyson Queensbury Rules, but even if he did I am not sure the result would have been any different. Essential in taking the fight on short notice, and no tune up, Larry sold out for a buck, and a beating, but it was a **** ton of money. In Larry's comeback bid he did beat a prime Ray Mercer, and showed a ton of heart in a loss to Evander Holyfield. I do not know what to make of the decision in the Oliver McCall fight. Judges may have screwed him.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Engine512 View Post
            Larry, did not have adaquit time, or preparation to fight Mike Tyson Queensbury Rules, but even if he did I am not sure the result would have been any different. Essential in taking the fight on short notice, and no tune up, Larry sold out for a buck, and a beating, but it was a **** ton of money. In Larry's comeback bid he did beat a prime Ray Mercer, and showed a ton of heart in a loss to Evander Holyfield. I do not know what to make of the decision in the Oliver McCall fight. Judges may have screwed him.
            Queenie is a moron who hates Holmes, Lewis, Mayweather and many other fighters, but sticks up for cheaters like Antonio Margarito, Aaron Pryor, Panama Lewis and Luis Resto. Make it make sense!!!

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            • #16
              79-82 Larry would have made a fool of Mike Tyson.

              The Holmes that got up from the supernatural punch Shavers landed would not be knocked out and after 8 rounds Tyson would have run out of ideas.
              Willow The Wisp Willow The Wisp likes this.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Engine512 View Post
                Larry, did not have adaquit time, or preparation to fight Mike Tyson Queensbury Rules, but even if he did I am not sure the result would have been any different. Essential in taking the fight on short notice, and no tune up, Larry sold out for a buck, and a beating, but it was a **** ton of money. In Larry's comeback bid he did beat a prime Ray Mercer, and showed a ton of heart in a loss to Evander Holyfield. I do not know what to make of the decision in the Oliver McCall fight. Judges may have screwed him.
                - - Another prime Noob is it yet again?

                Tubby Lar who used to be skinny is my fav punching bag. He spent the entire year before their fight attending Tyson's epic Title Collection fights savaging him in interviews while calling him out. He trained the entire year at the gym he built on his estate expressly to prepare him to fight Tyson.

                Tyson whomped him so easily that Lar freshly neutered fans are still squealing in soprano to this day.

                Irrepressible Factoid is Lar a single belt holder in a multibelt era he helped create is 0-2 against Champions having won their titles in the Ring.

                Gitteth thee to an all Squealing Soprano Forum for Lar fannyboys to squeal in harmony...yeah!!!

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Another prime Noob is it yet again?

                  Tubby Lar who used to be skinny is my fav punching bag. He spent the entire year before their fight attending Tyson's epic Title Collection fights savaging him in interviews while calling him out. He trained the entire year at the gym he built on his estate expressly to prepare him to fight Tyson.

                  Tyson whomped him so easily that Lar freshly neutered fans are still squealing in soprano to this day.

                  Irrepressible Factoid is Lar a single belt holder in a multibelt era he helped create is 0-2 against Champions having won their titles in the Ring.

                  Gitteth thee to an all Squealing Soprano Forum for Lar fannyboys to squeal in harmony...yeah!!!
                  More than a trolling poster....A poet!

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                    Queenie is a moron who hates Holmes, Lewis, Mayweather and many other fighters, but sticks up for cheaters like Antonio Margarito, Aaron Pryor, Panama Lewis and Luis Resto. Make it make sense!!!
                    Ah so those are boxers he actually likes? Interesting, I thought in his shtick he doesn't like any boxer that lived ever.

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                    • #20
                      Larry Holmes' resume is what I would call 'solid'. It's not exceptional, it's not bad either because most of his opponents were talented boxers with potential. That very long title streak puts him ahead of a lot of other all time greats though. In contrast I would say he has a better resume than Louis who also had the very long title reign but fought a lot of opponents way below his level. He mopped the floor with them but then struggled with the very best opponents he faced.

                      I also have to give Larry Holmes credit he usually doesn't get for his performances as an old man in a new era. It is honestly very impressive what he did in the 90s. You gotta understand he had a young man's style, swift movement sticking out that long jab etc. And he made it work even when he was old. Beating Mercer, possibly robbed against McCall and giving a good account of himself against prime Holyfield. And nobody stopped the old man other than Tyson because he gave himself very little time to prepare coming out of retirement.

                      Him and Foreman really proved how damn good the Golden era Heavyweights were judging by their performances in the 90s.

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