Would Tony Tucker have beaten Foreman?

[Tatabanya]

- - Helps to have a proper description, so I'll just add Foreman was asking the ref to stop the fight after a concussive start. Also helps to remember that undefeated Moorer retired Field from boxing for a period. All Shulz did was run, pop, and hold, a track meet.

• Foreman made $5 million and Stewart got $250,000.
• Foreman was a 6 to 1 favorite.
• Stewart was knocked down twice in the second round.
• Foreman lost one point for a low blow in the tenth round.
• At the end of the fight, both of Foreman's eyes and the right side of his jaw were badly swollen.

Well, if I have to be completely honest, I also remember that Briggs' win against Big George was widely considered a robbery. That would balance things a bit. I'll have to watch the fight again, because my memory of it is fuzzy.

I think Holyfield retired because of a PED-induced problem masked as a heart condition. Then Benny Hinn appeared, touched him and voilą, Holyfield came back and conquered the world.

[QueensburyRules]

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This is how Foreman looked like after the Alex Stewart fight. The same Stewart who lasted about two minutes with Mike Tyson two years prior.

So, the Tyson who destroyed a younger Stewart, who dealt with a serious (and more mobile) puncher in Razor Ruddock in 1991, who fought on even terms with Holyfield in 1996 and 1997 would be knocked out by someone who lost to Tommy Morrison and Shannon Briggs, of all people, and received gift decisions against Stewart and Axel Schulz?

Lest we forget, Big George was also being outclassed by Michael Moorer before finding that Hail Mary.

I admire Foreman - as we all do - but sometimes the mere facts speak louder than any speculation.

- - Helps to have a proper description, so I'll just add Foreman was asking the ref to stop the fight after a concussive start. Also helps to remember that undefeated Moorer retired Field from boxing for a period. All Shulz did was run, pop, and hold, a track meet.

• Foreman made $5 million and Stewart got $250,000.
• Foreman was a 6 to 1 favorite.
• Stewart was knocked down twice in the second round.
• Foreman lost one point for a low blow in the tenth round.
• At the end of the fight, both of Foreman's eyes and the right side of his jaw were badly swollen.

[Willie Pep 229]

Foreman lost to Holyfield because Evander was more athletic and moved better.

Foreman's Hail Mary would have knocked ANYONE out, including Holyfield, had it landed in the right spot. That's why they call it "a puncher's chance".

However, Moorer didn't have the athleticism of Holyfield, nor did he have Tyson's speed and chin. Moorer was almost knocked out by Bert Cooper.

Thus, my idea is that Tyson would have been smarter than most people think against Big George.

Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Maybe.

[The D3vil]

True statement for 1989 Tyson, the one Foreman would have met. That's why the first two rounds scared me so (being a Big George fan as I was).

But by the time he got out of prison all that head movement and footwork was gone.

He had become a one punch lunger by Hoyfield.

But yes, he did have much better head movement early on.

It is kind of amazing but once he went with King and lost connection with any good trainers his skills declined sharply.

You think he would have retained some of the knowledge.

He changed his lifestyle.

He was doing a lot of drugs & drinking & partying.

The singer Bobby Brown writes in his book about how him & Mike stayed up all night ****ing Japanese hookers the night before the Buster Douglas fight.

The Catskills crew wouldn't have allowed that, which is one of the reasons he got rid of them. He got too big for his britches.

Edit: You can't say B ANG on this site, now?

[JAB5239]

That's the point. Tyson is just the guy that Hail Mary could land on.

Foreman couldn't beat Holyfied, because he was a superior counter puncher.

Styles make fights and the history of boxing has shown us again and again that the triangular logic doesn't hold up.

Mike had a much better chin than Moorer, was faster and hit harder. Maybe George gets him, I don't know. But my money would be on Tyson.

[Anomalocaris]

That's the point. Tyson is just the guy that Hail Mary could land on.

Foreman couldn't beat Holyfied, because he was a superior counter puncher.

Styles make fights and the history of boxing has shown us again and again that the triangular logic doesn't hold up.

Walking into Foreman just does not work.

Plus his chin was made out of Admantium.

Holy landed about 15 maximum leverage punches at one point and he still he did not go down.

I think George was durable enough to weather the storm of the first few rounds and then Mike is in big, big trouble.

[Tatabanya]

That's the point. Tyson is just the guy that Hail Mary could land on.

Foreman couldn't beat Holyfied, because he was a superior counter puncher.

Styles make fights and the history of boxing has shown us again and again that the triangular logic doesn't hold up.

Foreman lost to Holyfield because Evander was more athletic and moved better.

Foreman's Hail Mary would have knocked ANYONE out, including Holyfield, had it landed in the right spot. That's why they call it "a puncher's chance".

However, Moorer didn't have the athleticism of Holyfield, nor did he have Tyson's speed and chin. Moorer was almost knocked out by Bert Cooper.

Thus, my idea is that Tyson would have been smarter than most people think against Big George.

[Willie Pep 229]

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This is how Foreman looked like after the Alex Stewart fight. The same Stewart who lasted about two minutes with Mike Tyson two years prior.

So, the Tyson who destroyed a younger Stewart, who dealt with a serious (and more mobile) puncher in Razor Ruddock in 1991, who fought on even terms with Holyfield in 1996 and 1997 would be knocked out by someone who lost to Tommy Morrison and Shannon Briggs, of all people, and received gift decisions against Stewart and Axel Schulz?

Lest we forget, Big George was also being outclassed by Michael Moorer before finding that Hail Mary.

I admire Foreman - as we all do - but sometimes the mere facts speak louder than any speculation.

That's the point. Tyson is just the guy that Hail Mary could land on.

Foreman couldn't beat Holyfied, because he was a superior counter puncher.

Styles make fights and the history of boxing has shown us again and again that the triangular logic doesn't hold up.

[Tatabanya]

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This is how Foreman looked like after the Alex Stewart fight. The same Stewart who lasted about two minutes with Mike Tyson two years prior.

So, the Tyson who destroyed a younger Stewart, who dealt with a serious (and more mobile) puncher in Razor Ruddock in 1991, who fought on even terms with Holyfield in 1996 and 1997 would be knocked out by someone who lost to Tommy Morrison and Shannon Briggs, of all people, and received gift decisions against Stewart and Axel Schulz?

Lest we forget, Big George was also being outclassed by Michael Moorer before finding that Hail Mary.

I admire Foreman - as we all do - but sometimes the mere facts speak louder than any speculation.

[Marchegiano]

Tucker seems a bit underrated. Heck, most the guys who Mike steamrolled through seem that way. I think he'd do damn well in the 4 body era.

I guess that last part is true for most top contenders and lesser champions.