Would Tony Tucker have beaten Foreman?

[JAB5239]

- - Git thee they minder to explain pearls before swine...

Lewie a wanker.

Git thee minder (in your case the bartender) to explain hypocrisy to you.

[QueensburyRules]

Lewis didn't need the belts and dropped them to fight better competition.

As far as the rest of your post......what does it even mean? If you have a grill you can drop belts to fight and not rematch unranked opposition? If Lewis did that you would be having a field day right now.

- - Git thee they minder to explain pearls before swine...

Lewie a wanker.

[JAB5239]

- - Lewie dropped a bunch of belts, or more accurately selling them to King so he could further corrupt boxing, but of course U always go for light in the loafers rather than blood and gut warriors and select craftsmen.

George was always bigger than boxing and most assuredly U!!!

• Foreman was a 6 to 1 favorite.
• Foreman made $10 million. Schulz got $350,000.
• The fight aired live on HBO.
• There was a crowd of 11,111.
• Foreman landed 249 of 543 punches. Schulz landed 229 of 482.
• The fight averaged 3.9 million viewers on German TV network RTL.
• In 2000, at former IBF president Bob Lee's racketeering trial, promoter Bob Arum testified that he agreed to pay $200,000 for the IBF to grant a special exemption to approve a title fight between Foreman and the unranked Schulz. $100,000 would be paid before the fight, and the other $100,000 would be paid after the fight. Arum said that he made the pre-fight payment but refused to make the post-fight payment after learning that Foreman had paid $250,000 to another IBF official. According to prosecutors, after Foreman won by a controversial decision, promoter Cedric Kushner paid the IBF to mandate a rematch. Foreman refused the rematch and vacated the IBF title.

Lewis didn't need the belts and dropped them to fight better competition.

As far as the rest of your post......what does it even mean? If you have a grill you can drop belts to fight and not rematch unranked opposition? If Lewis did that you would be having a field day right now.

[QueensburyRules]

Like I said, no pearls from you. This has nothing to do with what you responded to. In other words you have no defense of Vits terrible resume compared to Lewis....or even John Ruiz for that matter.

As far as what you did post.....ok? Tucker was still Foreman's mandatory. George dropped that belt and instead fought little known Schultz who was not a mandatory. Everyone here knows how i feel about the ABCratings, so that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is why was it of for George to drop a belt to avoid a mandatory to fight a guy who wasn't, but you fault Lewis for dropping a belt not facing a mandatory, but takes on a more dangerous opponent? Kind of a double standard there, don't you think?

- - Lewie dropped a bunch of belts, or more accurately selling them to King so he could further corrupt boxing, but of course U always go for light in the loafers rather than blood and gut warriors and select craftsmen.

George was always bigger than boxing and most assuredly U!!!

• Foreman was a 6 to 1 favorite.
• Foreman made $10 million. Schulz got $350,000.
• The fight aired live on HBO.
• There was a crowd of 11,111.
• Foreman landed 249 of 543 punches. Schulz landed 229 of 482.
• The fight averaged 3.9 million viewers on German TV network RTL.
• In 2000, at former IBF president Bob Lee's racketeering trial, promoter Bob Arum testified that he agreed to pay $200,000 for the IBF to grant a special exemption to approve a title fight between Foreman and the unranked Schulz. $100,000 would be paid before the fight, and the other $100,000 would be paid after the fight. Arum said that he made the pre-fight payment but refused to make the post-fight payment after learning that Foreman had paid $250,000 to another IBF official. According to prosecutors, after Foreman won by a controversial decision, promoter Cedric Kushner paid the IBF to mandate a rematch. Foreman refused the rematch and vacated the IBF title.

[Marchegiano]

Unless you know the money offered (guaranteed) for each fight, neither argument holds water.

This is 'prize' fighting.

Belts mean nothing. Zeros on checks count.

If you accuse a fighter of ducking a fight and don't know the actual numbers, you're saying nothing.

It is absurd to think that these guys gave a tinker's damn what their legacy would be.

Best fight for the money. Sometimes that's the best fighter, sometimes the other belt hoder, sometimes there is a different plan.

It is not a sport. It is a business.

We did not just see a man take a pay loss for legacy?


Greedybelly

[JAB5239]

Unless you know the money offered (guaranteed) for each fight, neither argument holds water.

This is 'prize' fighting.

Belts mean nothing. Zeros on checks count.

If you accuse a fighter of ducking a fight and don't know the actual numbers, you're saying nothing.

It is absurd to think that these guys gave a tinker's damn what their legacy would be.

Best fight for the money. Sometimes that's the best fighter, sometimes the other belt hoder, sometimes there is a different plan.

It is not a sport. It is a business.

Not sure i entirely agree with this. Foreman made about 12 million for fighting Schultz and was making about 4.5 million a month from his grill. But he still chose to drop the IBF belt rather than rematch Schultz. He was obviously making that prize money to rematch, but didn't. I love George. Had the pleasure of meeting him and shaking his hand at the Lewis-Briggs fight. But in his next fight instead of rematching Schultz he fought Crawford Grimsley for a mere 3mil. That's 75% less than the Axel Shultz fight and I would guess substantially even more had he rematched Axel.

[Willie Pep 229]

Unless you know the money offered (guaranteed) for each fight, neither argument holds water.

This is 'prize' fighting.

Belts mean nothing. Zeros on checks count.

If you accuse a fighter of ducking a fight and don't know the actual numbers, you're saying nothing.

It is absurd to think that these guys gave a tinker's damn what their legacy would be.

Best fight for the money. Sometimes that's the best fighter, sometimes the other belt hoder, sometimes there is a different plan.

It is not a sport. It is a business.

[JAB5239]

- - After Lewie beat Tucker in 93, in 94 Tucker fought 4 journeymen. In 95 he started a 3 fight KO streak with him the victim.

in 94 George KO Moorer who had put Field in retirement, a distinct difference in competition and results for all but the usual dummies spamming this formerly esteemed forum.

Like I said, no pearls from you. This has nothing to do with what you responded to. In other words you have no defense of Vits terrible resume compared to Lewis....or even John Ruiz for that matter.

As far as what you did post.....ok? Tucker was still Foreman's mandatory. George dropped that belt and instead fought little known Schultz who was not a mandatory. Everyone here knows how i feel about the ABCratings, so that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is why was it of for George to drop a belt to avoid a mandatory to fight a guy who wasn't, but you fault Lewis for dropping a belt not facing a mandatory, but takes on a more dangerous opponent? Kind of a double standard there, don't you think?

[QueensburyRules]

You couldn't provide pearls if you were an oyster. As usual you got your ass handed to you in a basket.

- - After Lewie beat Tucker in 93, in 94 Tucker fought 4 journeymen. In 95 he started a 3 fight KO streak with him the victim.

in 94 George KO Moorer who had put Field in retirement, a distinct difference in competition and results for all but the usual dummies spamming this formerly esteemed forum.

[JAB5239]

- - Naw, just U making another case for this formerly high end boxing forum that has swine begging for pearls.

You couldn't provide pearls if you were an oyster. As usual you got your ass handed to you in a basket.