Most Feared HW

[Biledriver]

True but Montreal is certainly no population slouch! Almost 2 million, about the size of San Francisco and San Jose combined when the tech heads are chased out periodically.

I know more about Montreal than I probably should for someone from the US, but I'm a Habs fan so it comes with territory

[them_apples]

Toronto and vancouver took a total nosedive in the past 5 years.

[them_apples]

Which would not make him,"a serial killer".lol

Should we look up some of his crew he rolled with?

[them_apples]

What evidence is there that Marciano was a sociopath?

First hand accounts of those that met him paint a picture of a soft spoken, amiable ,modest, man, unless you crossed him over money.

Marciano's Father was a small, mild mannered, self effacing man,who melted into the back ground.
There is zero evidence he was a sociopath.

Marciano was devastated by the Vingo fight.

Marciano hung around with Italian /American businessman who could do him some financial good, and were prepared to foot the bill for his pleasures, and travelling, in return for the hubris of being in his company and calling him a friend.

Your imaginative fantasizing about Marciano knows no bounds!

I can’t actually debate with you about this one because it’s a perception thing.

the way you describe Marciano is how one would describe anyone on TV. Leonard was a slow living family man. No he wasn’t ****ing hookers every night and doing blow for 10 years straight (trick question, he was)

[Bronson66]

I can�t actually debate with you about this one because it�s a perception thing.

the way you describe Marciano is how one would describe anyone on TV. Leonard was a slow living family man. No he wasn�t ****ing hookers every night and doing blow for 10 years straight (trick question, he was)

No, it's made up, deliberate lying!

I describe Marciano from reading 4 biographies and watching 3 documentaries about him.
You pull nonsense out of your head and insult our intelligence by expecting us to be gullible enough to believe it!

[billeau2]

Toronto and vancouver took a total nosedive in the past 5 years.

That's a shame...

[Marchegiano]

I know more about Montreal than I probably should for someone from the US, but I'm a Habs fan so it comes with territory

If you've never been, go.

IMO French Canada >> France

Montreal was a work trip so I didn't get to do anything touristy but the people are friendly, the city is clean, and the biggest issue I had were the kids are a bit slow at math and getting your change back,

For a major city in the world it's a realty laid back place

[Rockybigblower]

By their era. Not who do you think is the scariest.


Glaukos should get a mention. Being the first, oldest, champion associated with a heavy punch and folks being afraid of that punch is pretty cool and worthy of note. Of course jabronis like me are still mentioning Glaukos, but unlike the vast, vast, majority of ancient champions Glaukos's name never stopped being cited. There's maybe a handful of men who can join him on that list, but of them only he is feared for the pain he'd bring you. That's pretty cool.


Tome Pancha is really the only name I have ever found with any consistency across the medieval period. That's mostly due to boxing being a form of dueling and illegal at the time across all of Christendom. There are other area who box of course but their versions of boxing tend to not have anything we could consider champions. Team boxing doesn't have individual stand outs in win/loss records. They have clan records, like clan X defeated clan Y. Show boxing also doesn't have champions because it is exhibition for the purpose of exhibition, like a kata. Tome was the most feared one vs one fighter during the era of the battagliole. He fought unarmed against dudes with daggers and that is dope. He'll KO you and drop your ass over that bridge, also dope.


John L in the bareknuckle era. One has to acknowledge Deaf Burke, without the unreasonable fear around him the British would not have been forced to create American boxing. The whole entire nation was afeart of the man. Tom Cribb's dominance was one of the most influential in boxing. Folks don't talk about him much today but Hyer was feared by America. Of course in another thread I point out Delaney was so feared he shut down boxing in England for a year. Then of course we get ol Sully. I could be wrong here but I do not think any fighter prior to Sullivan achieved as much public support and fear or respect. The clear stand out is Sullivan. I just felt the others are worthy of mention.


Early sanctioned era is easily and by a lot Johnson and Dempsey but between the two I think Dempsey was the one more feared for what he will do to you physically. Johnson's fear is tied to social fears more than physical. I think, at the moment. There's heaps of black men who were feared for their skills and the social implications to a racist audience but I'm not so sure they had any kind of Tyson-like mystique. I'll go with Jack Dempsey. Just surviving some rounds with the champ meant a lot when Dempsey was king.


Sonny Liston comes next. I could be wrong here but I don't think Carnera's size or Baer's power or Louis's dominance ever crossed over to an audience discussing their fears of those men. Maybe I just never saw those pressers though.


Legitimate question, how feared was Big George? The pressers by then are hyperbolic and full of bull so it is kind of hard to tell. Did the golden era achieve that Dempsey/Tyson fear or was that more respect for skills? If everything is surface value George or maybe Shavers.


Mike Tyson - we was all there, we all know what's good. I was afraid of him in punch-out bro. That level was hard AF for a little ****.


I don't think anyone else has achieved the mystique since Mike Tyson lost it. No disrespect to Wlad, no one was scared of him. Joshua, Wilder, and Fury, respected, but not really feared. They all three have a claim to being more feared than the others but none of them ever captured the public, despite Joe Rogan's number one podcast on the planet really pushing Fury, no one's scared of Tyson Fury. Or even Usyk, fab champ, seems like almost everyone respects him, no one is scared of him.

If you are talking about eras....i think you do Wilder a disservice. Sure...noone fears him now....but before his first loss he was by all accounts the new 'baddest man on the planet". He was beating fighters of his era by devastating knockout and the champs were pricing themselves out in order to avoid him. Revisionist history might say that he wasnt all that good....but the eyeball test says he was.

[them_apples]

No, it's made up, deliberate lying!

I describe Marciano from reading 4 biographies and watching 3 documentaries about him.
You pull nonsense out of your head and insult our intelligence by expecting us to be gullible enough to believe it!

Is it deliberate lying

read this

“”Yes. His connections with the Italian mob are well documented. Even when he died in an airplane crash in 1969, he was accompanied by the eldest son of a well known mafia figure (Lew Farrell). Rocky's manager (Al Weill) was known to confer with Murder Inc member (Frankie Carbo) before agreeing to title shots​””

carbo was certainly a murderer and sociopath

please look it up Bronson, you are good at sniffing out facts.

always got the impression rock was dealing with the mafia.

got no problems with you making me take accountability and posting references as often as I can

[Anomalocaris]

Is it deliberate lying

read this

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carbo was certainly a murderer and sociopath

please look it up Bronson, you are good at sniffing out facts.

always got the impression rock was dealing with the mafia.

got no problems with you making me take accountability and posting references as often as I can

If that's the case and he and his manager were so involved with the Mafia then some of his fights could have been fixed?

Carbo was stone-cold psychopath.

Nothing behind the eyes at all.