List the fighters who were able to fight round 15 at a high energy pace

[them_apples]

it takes an extreme amount of endurance to do this. Not just to throw punches, but to fight with a high intensity with intent on breaking the opponent.

I can remember Pacquiao, a more recent fighter had some very high energy rounds later on in the 12 round era. he seemed to be in good condition.

Obviously Marciano. Armstrong. Greb anymore?

I don't rank Guys like Frazier the same way, they fought hard but visibly were fatigued by the later rounds, even if they had more energy than the next guy. lots of guys could go 15, and even have more in the tank than the next guy - very few fought round 15 the hardest out of the whole match. Same with Holyfield, he's sucking wind, even if he has heart.

Pretty much just Marciano, Armstrong and Greb come to mind. These are the only guys who would hit the gas in round 14-15. I am sure there are a few more.

[Bundana]

As you say, Pacquiao looked like someone who could go 15 rounds at full speed - though he of course couldn't prove in this 12- round era.

CW Usyk was another one who could probably go 15 hard rounds, if he had to.

Also Calzaghe had an amazing gas tank.

[ShoulderRoll]

Sugar Ray Leonard. Roberto Duran.

[BKM-]

So you rank guys who never went 15 rounds but you speculate would do great for 15 rounds, over guys who actually went 15 rounds and looked amazing doing it? Another great observation. I'm gonna go watch Evander vs Qawi and the FOC.

[Bronson66]

it takes an extreme amount of endurance to do this. Not just to throw punches, but to fight with a high intensity with intent on breaking the opponent.

I can remember Pacquiao, a more recent fighter had some very high energy rounds later on in the 12 round era. he seemed to be in good condition.

Obviously Marciano. Armstrong. Greb anymore?

I don't rank Guys like Frazier the same way, they fought hard but visibly were fatigued by the later rounds, even if they had more energy than the next guy. lots of guys could go 15, and even have more in the tank than the next guy - very few fought round 15 the hardest out of the whole match. Same with Holyfield, he's sucking wind, even if he has heart.

Pretty much just Marciano, Armstrong and Greb come to mind. These are the only guys who would hit the gas in round 14-15. I am sure there are a few more.

Marciano went 15 rds ONCE against a 6ft,188lbs, 33 years old ,past prime fighter ,who had 96 fights on his clock .

I don't think his pace for that fight was any more intense than Frazier's against Ali who was 29 years old, 6ft 3in, and 215lbs
Frazier fought at a faster pace than Marciano ,imo.
Marciano was relentless ,but more measured,and he was fighting smaller, older guys,than Frazier did for the most part.

Finishing strongly against guys who, today would barely be big enough to make cruiser ,and 3 of whom were 38,37,41.
doesn't impress me too much ,doing it against a modern sized, conditioned fighter like Usyk would.

Being tied up in clinches by men 50/60lbs heavier, men who possess power that you have never experienced,is a whole different ball game to overwhelming a punchless185lbs Lastarza ,or an obese lhvy like ****ell.

Marciano was badly marked up by Louis ,who really had only the remnants of his jab to keep him off,one wonders what his face would look like after sampling a few of Dubois jabs?

Would he still be able to march forward with impunity ,taking shots to get in his own?Or would he be set back on his heels from the power of jabs from a 27 years old man, nearly 25O lbs ,and continually be having to reset his attack?
Tua was a bigger version of Marciano,not as great a fighter but certainly durable and very hard hitting.
Tua's M.O. was, like Marciano's to come forward on the attack,like Rocky,his stature compelled him to adopt this strategy,but once ,up against a giant power hitter in Lewis with a heavy jab,he opted for survival.
Marciano would probably go for broke. if he did ,I think the result would be similar to this stanza from
Tennyson's "The Charge Of The Light Brigade."

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.


With the ending being the same.

Obliteration.

[them_apples]

As you say, Pacquiao looked like someone who could go 15 rounds at full speed - though he of course couldn't prove in this 12- round era.

CW Usyk was another one who could probably go 15 hard rounds, if he had to.

Also Calzaghe had an amazing gas tank.

Calzaghe did indeed

[them_apples]

So you rank guys who never went 15 rounds but you speculate would do great for 15 rounds, over guys who actually went 15 rounds and looked amazing doing it? Another great observation. I'm gonna go watch Evander vs Qawi and the FOC.

What pacquiao?

I was basing it off his performances. Going the distance and fighting the distance are 2 different things

[JAB5239]

Calzaghe did indeed

In my opinion Calzaghe seldom threw hard punches making it easier to conserve energy and have a higher work rate.

[Willie Pep 229]

Marciano went 15 rds ONCE against a 6ft,188lbs, 33 years old ,past prime fighter ,who had 96 fights on his clock .

I don't think his pace for that fight was any more intense than Frazier's against Ali who was 29 years old, 6ft 3in, and 215lbs
Frazier fought at a faster pace than Marciano ,imo.
Marciano was relentless ,but more measured,and he was fighting smaller, older guys,than Frazier did for the most part.

Finishing strongly against guys who, today would barely be big enough to make cruiser ,and 3 of whom were 38,37,41.
doesn't impress me too much ,doing it against a modern sized, conditioned fighter like Usyk would.

Being tied up in clinches by men 50/60lbs heavier, men who possess power that you have never experienced,is a whole different ball game to overwhelming a punchless185lbs Lastarza ,or an obese lhvy like ****ell.

Marciano was badly marked up by Louis ,who really had only the remnants of his jab to keep him off,one wonders what his face would look like after sampling a few of Dubois jabs?

Would he still be able to march forward with impunity ,taking shots to get in his own?Or would he be set back on his heels from the power of jabs from a 27 years old man, nearly 25O lbs ,and continually be having to reset his attack?
Tua was a bigger version of Marciano,not as great a fighter but certainly durable and very hard hitting.
Tua's M.O. was, like Marciano's to come forward on the attack,like Rocky,his stature compelled him to adopt this strategy,but once ,up against a giant power hitter in Lewis with a heavy jab,he opted for survival.
Marciano would probably go for broke if he did ,I think the result would be similar to this stanza from
Tennyson's "The Charge Of The Light Brigade."

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.


With the ending being the same.

Obliteration.

DIGRESSION

It just seems odd to me . . .

Isn't it wonderful the way we immortalize our courage in defeat, despite its sometime obvious s-tupidity?

"The Light Brigade was a British cavalry unit known for its speed and agility. On that day, they were ordered to attack a heavily fortified Russian artillery position at the end of a valley, an action that resulted in catastrophic losses."

Americans like to embrace and immortalize their defeats too.

Lexington
Bunker's Hill
The Alamo
Picket's Charge
Custer at The Little Big Horn
Sinking of the Maine
Pearl Harbor
The Bastards of Bataan
Wake Island
Omaha Beach*
Pusan Perimeter
9/11

It's a strange culture.

* I realize Normandy was a success, but it's the butchering we took at Omaha Beach that is remember more often, than its general success at the Sword, Utah, Gold, and Juno beaches.

How many of you recognized Omaha Beach but couldn't name the other four beach heads?

We embrace our defeats; courage means more than victory, it seems.

P.S. Maybe this is why it took Dempsey being beaten to a pulp by Tunney that he finally got to hear the fans chant his name.

Dempsey waited his whole career for the fans to embrace him. He had to be defeated first.

It is a strange culture.

[them_apples]

DIGRESSION

It just seems odd to me . . .

Isn't it wonderful the way we immortalize our courage in defeat, despite its sometime obvious s-tupidity?

"The Light Brigade was a British cavalry unit known for its speed and agility. On that day, they were ordered to attack a heavily fortified Russian artillery position at the end of a valley, an action that resulted in catastrophic losses."

Americans like to embrace and immortalize their defeats too.

Lexington
Bunker's Hill
The Alamo
Picket's Charge
Custer at The Little Big Horn
Sinking of the Maine
Pearl Harbor
The Bastards of Bataan
Wake Island
Omaha Beach*
Pusan Perimeter
9/11

It's a strange culture.

* I realize Normandy was a success, but it's the butchering we took at Omaha Beach that is remember more often, than its general success at the Sword, Utah, Gold, and Juno beaches.

How many of you recognized Omaha Beach but couldn't name the other four beach heads?

We embrace our defeats; courage means more than victory, it seems.

P.S. Maybe this is why it took Dempsey being beaten to a pulp by Tunney that he finally got to hear the fans chant his name.

Dempsey waited his whole career for the fans to embrace him. He had to be defeated first.

It is a strange culture.

Very good point.

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I wouldn’t doubt this is actually the case

it’s Marcianos undefeated record that won’t ever allow him to get recognized by certain people.

I can’t in any world see how Sonny Liston or Mike Tyson would be rated over him? They failed almost every test put in front of them - yet many would pick them over Marciano in heartbeat based on one factor and one factor alone : weight