List the fighters who were able to fight round 15 at a high energy pace

[Biledriver]

Frazier and Duran come to mind.....

[Bronson66]

Very good point.

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I wouldnât doubt this is actually the case

itâs Marcianos undefeated record that wonât ever allow him to get recognized by certain people.

I canât in any world see how Sonny Liston or Mike Tyson would be rated over him? They failed almost every test put in front of them - yet many would pick them over Marciano in heartbeat based on one factor and one factor alone : weight

I pick Liston over Marciano because his style of come forward aggression plays right into Sonny's hands,his short reach means he would be jabbed off at range and in meeting a man who compares very favourably with him in power,and strength coupled with Marciano's cut prone skin.I see no advantages for Rocky in an inside battle .
I pick Tyson over Marciano because, his hand speed was appreciably superior,his defence better,and his chin more proven against modern sized heavies.Both Liston and Tyson make my top ten all time, Marciano does not.

[Bronson66]

DIGRESSION

It just seems odd to me . . .

Isn't it wonderful the way we immortalize our courage in defeat, despite its sometime obvious s-tupidity?

"The Light Brigade was a British cavalry unit known for its speed and agility. On that day, they were ordered to attack a heavily fortified Russian artillery position at the end of a valley, an action that resulted in catastrophic losses."

Americans like to embrace and immortalize their defeats too.

Lexington
Bunker's Hill
The Alamo
Picket's Charge
Custer at The Little Big Horn
Sinking of the Maine
Pearl Harbor
The Bastards of Bataan
Wake Island
Omaha Beach*
Pusan Perimeter
9/11

It's a strange culture.

* I realize Normandy was a success, but it's the butchering we took at Omaha Beach that is remember more often, than its general success at the Sword, Utah, Gold, and Juno beaches.

How many of you recognized Omaha Beach but couldn't name the other four beach heads?

We embrace our defeats; courage means more than victory, it seems.

P.S. Maybe this is why it took Dempsey being beaten to a pulp by Tunney that he finally got to hear the fans chant his name.

Dempsey waited his whole career for the fans to embrace him. He had to be defeated first.

It is a strange culture.

Actually they weren't ordered to," charge for the guns.",the message was misunderstood and The Light Brigade subsequently obliterated.
The US forces took a hell of a pounding at Normandy, in contrast, the Brits had it quite a bit easier.

The UK has a history of,lauding ,and celebrating our sporting heroes who failed, going down to noble defeat.
Farr v Louis
Driscoll v Ledoux
Wilde v Villa
Cooper v Ali

We love a good loser.lol

[them_apples]

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I pick Liston over Marciano because his style of come forward aggression plays right into Sonny's hands,his short reach means he would be jabbed off at range and in meeting a man who compares very favourably with him in power,and strength coupled with Marciano's cut prone skin.I see no advantages for Rocky in an inside battle .
I pick Tyson over Marciano because, his hand speed was appreciably superior,his defence better,and his chin more proven against modern sized heavies.Both Liston and Tyson make my top ten all time, Marciano does not.

If Ali can put Liston out so can Marciano. A few lbs won’t save him. Those long arms will be useless inside. Marciano isn’t patterson.

[Bronson66]

If Ali can put Liston out so can Marciano. A few lbs wonât save him. Those long arms will be useless inside. Marciano isnât patterson.

So you think the Lewiston fight was kosher?
If Walcott and,Moore can drop Marciano, Liston can embalm him!

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32401359]

So you think the Lewiston fight was kosher?
If Walcott and,Moore can drop Marciano, Liston can embalm him! [/QUOTE]

Nah!

Moore hurt him, but that was Marcinao at the end.

Walcott's very fast hands got a flash knockdown that was more embarrassing than harm.

That's all there is.

I don't think it's fair to suggest that 1951 Marciano was an easy KO for any fighter.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32401370]

So you think the Lewiston fight was kosher?
If Walcott and,Moore can drop Marciano, Liston can embalm him! [/QUOTE]

Nah!

Moore hurt him, but that was Marcinao at the end.

Walcott's very fast hands got a flash knockdown that was more embarrassing than harm.

That's all there is.

I don't think it's fair to suggest that 1951 Marciano was an easy KO for any fighter.

Marciano,according to himself ,blacked out against Moore for a few seconds,and,when rising ,headed for the ropes,expecting a standing count.

At no time have I suggested Marciano would be an easy ko for any fighter.

So,Marciano ,at 32 was ."at the end" ? LOL

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32401375]

Marciano,according to himself ,blacked out against Moore for a few seconds,and,when rising ,headed for the ropes,expecting a standing count.

At no time have I suggested Marciano would be an easy ko for any fighter.

So,Marciano ,at 32 was ."at the end" ? LOL

Why do you think that's funny?

By Moore, Marciano didn't look so good. Dempsey at 32 as well.

The 30's used to be considered the beginning of the end in most sport.

I did say Moore hurt him.

[Mr Mitts]

Fullmer and Basilo were both known to fight hard and have good stamina. One would have to check some 15th rds to see if they could open up in the 15th.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32401416]

Why do you think that's funny?

By Moore, Marciano didn't look so good. Dempsey at 32 as well.

The 30's used to be considered the beginning of the end in most sport.

I did say Moore hurt him.

I think its funny because you are implying Marciano was past his prime,and refusing to consider the possibility that a 41 years old man might just have made him look bad.

I think its akin to those who say38 years old Walcott fought his greatest fight against Marciano,without allowing for the fact that Marciano's style ,or lack of it, suited
Walcott,until Rocky;s relentless pressure took its toll of his legs,and he began leaning back on the ropes to snatch a quick rest.

If the 30's is considered ,"the beginning of the end in sport",what does that say about Marciano's best wins over
33 years old Charles ,37 years old Louis ,38 years old Walcott and 41 years old Moore?

Dempsey at 32 had been out of the ring for 3 years! And again I think that comparison is funny.