Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[IronDanHamza]

Irondanhamza thinks because Marciano was working himself to exhaustion day after day and coming in at 187 that he would be stronger by bulking up and slacking off. There is 0 chance this is what would happen. Bulk does not automatically equal strength. Marciano was as strong as a bull.

Another weird, made up claim. Never said that, or implied it.

Marciano is 5ft 10 and 185 lbs.

What Usyk has done, as a 6 ft 3, 225 lb man, has no bearing what so ever on what Rocky Marciano could do in that scenario.

Very simple.

[them_apples]

Another weird, made up claim. Never said that, or implied it.

Marciano is 5ft 10 and 185 lbs.

What Usyk has done, as a 6 ft 3, 225 lb man, has no bearing what so ever on what Rocky Marciano could do in that scenario.

Very simple.

Marciano at 187 was the product of extreme hard work and discipline. In retirement he was over 255 lbs and was never actually “fat� like someone today.

when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training. It’s like saying the 237 lb version of Ali that fought Shavers has a chance against Fury but the 210 lb version in his prime is simply too small.

Marcianos last 4 rounds in a 15 rounder involved him throwing over 100-120 punches a round. In the heavyweight division this is brutal to crank the pace like this in the late rounds. Nothing can overcome this but conditioning alone.

I just don’t understand how he gets written off for his weight but everything else he does get’s thrown at the wayside.

regardless of the Louis age, if he is 218 and Marciano is 184 - Marciano is giving up so much weight he shouldn’t be big enough to beat Louis let alone outgun him with relative easy. Louis was the one who stated himself that Marciano was as strong as a bull.

[them_apples]

Can you read mate? You ADMITTED to doing TRT you fool You literally pinned yourself to take your TRT. How can you use that as an insult when you took performance enhancers yourself admittedly?

Oh my god You’re now arguing that Canelo has any kind of chance against Usyk

You’re straight up retarded.

What about Inoue vs Crawford? Would weight play a factor in that fight do you think?

doing trt 4 years ago is not a roid user. Right? You know more than me about it. So what do you say?

correct I used trt 3-4 years ago because my job as a tattoo artist had me sitting in a charge slouching for hours on end.

I stopped a long time ago to get back into boxing.

Crawford is better in every category than Inuoe. Its not just size. Inoue isn’t good enough. Pacquiao came from the same division as Inoue, and at his peak he has a great chance of beating crawford.

Inoue doesn’t because he’s not good enough. He’s too easy to hit and hell try and slug with a stronger man.

I’m ******ed ?? Lol….You ONLY use TRT hahah give me a break. You sound like you are pulling your hair out in every post

[BKM-]

Marciano at 187 was the product of extreme hard work and discipline. In retirement he was over 255 lbs and was never actually âfatâ like someone today.

when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training. Itâs like saying the 237 lb version of Ali that fought Shavers has a chance against Fury but the 210 lb version in his prime is simply too small.

Marcianos last 4 rounds in a 15 rounder involved him throwing over 100-120 punches a round. In the heavyweight division this is brutal to crank the pace like this in the late rounds. Nothing can overcome this but conditioning alone.

I just donât understand how he gets written off for his weight but everything else he does getâs thrown at the wayside.

regardless of the Louis age, if he is 218 and Marciano is 184 - Marciano is giving up so much weight he shouldnât be big enough to beat Louis let alone outgun him with relative easy. Louis was the one who stated himself that Marciano was as strong as a bull.

This whole thing with ATG's being bigger "if they didn't train X amount" is going into fantasy land instead of a hypothetical matchup. These men were what they were listed, you can't just alter their size to fit your agenda because then you're making up a whole new fighter who never existed.

As far as this spat you're having with the James Toney stalker, it's very hard to pick a side here because you are who you are, but technically his arguments are more sound.

I can't pick a winner here. We all lost in this thread.

[them_apples]

This whole thing with ATG's being bigger "if they didn't train X amount" is going into fantasy land instead of a hypothetical matchup. These men were what they were listed, you can't just alter their size to fit your agenda because then you're making up a whole new fighter who never existed.

As far as this spat you're having with the James Toney stalker, it's very hard to pick a side here because you are who you are, but technically his arguments are more sound.

I can't pick a winner here. We all lost in this thread.

My real argument is not that size doesnt matter at all. It clearly does. My real argument is WEIGHT does not matter because weight can be out on or taken off.

when Usyk puts on 25 lbs he’s suddenly too big for certain fighters. This is myth. 0 chance you can just bulk up and all of a sudden beat men that were once your weight.

he would do even better at 200 and moving around. Thats how he’s beating these guys.

[BKM-]

My real argument is not that size doesnt matter at all. It clearly does. My real argument is WEIGHT does not matter because weight can be out on or taken off.

when Usyk puts on 25 lbs heâÂÂs suddenly too big for certain fighters. This is myth. 0 chance you can just bulk up and all of a sudden beat men that were once your weight.

he would do even better at 200 and moving around. Thats how heâs beating these guys.

You do your boxing which is fine but you're out of your element here. I've done grappling, the difference in weight in grappling is immense and there was plenty of grappling in these two fights and I'm telling you right now, Usyk's size increase was crucial in beating Fury. He didn't just balloon up, he did it the right way by gaining quality size in a couple of years. And we're not talking about a few pounds here, this is 25 pounds and I'm not sure you even know just how much solid mass that is. Next time you buy a pound of chicken breast hold it in your hands to see just how much mass that piece alone is and now imagine 25.

You're still staying in fantasy land here if you think he would have done the same at 200 pounds. He wouldn't have. Fury would have imposed his will on him, beat him up on the inside, he wouldn't have been able to push Fury off of him like he constantly did and this isn't even going into the increase in durability for Usyk and becoming a harder puncher. Give it a rest.

[IronDanHamza]

Marciano at 187 was the product of extreme hard work and discipline. In retirement he was over 255 lbs and was never actually âfatâ like someone today.

when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training. Itâs like saying the 237 lb version of Ali that fought Shavers has a chance against Fury but the 210 lb version in his prime is simply too small.

Marcianos last 4 rounds in a 15 rounder involved him throwing over 100-120 punches a round. In the heavyweight division this is brutal to crank the pace like this in the late rounds. Nothing can overcome this but conditioning alone.

I just donât understand how he gets written off for his weight but everything else he does getâs thrown at the wayside.

regardless of the Louis age, if he is 218 and Marciano is 184 - Marciano is giving up so much weight he shouldnât be big enough to beat Louis let alone outgun him with relative easy. Louis was the one who stated himself that Marciano was as strong as a bull.

All of load of long winded nothing, that no one has said.

What a 6 ft 3, 225 lb man did has no bearing on what a 5’10, 185 lb man can do.

End of story.

[Bronson66]

Marciano at 187 was the product of extreme hard work and discipline. In retirement he was over 255 lbs and was never actually âfatâ like someone today.

when people say he is 187 and too small I laugh at this notion because his light weight is a product of his training.

who in any world is 240 lbs while running 12-15 miles in boots every morning, on top of a whole days work of training. Itâs like saying the 237 lb version of Ali that fought Shavers has a chance against Fury but the 210 lb version in his prime is simply too small.

Marcianos last 4 rounds in a 15 rounder involved him throwing over 100-120 punches a round. In the heavyweight division this is brutal to crank the pace like this in the late rounds. Nothing can overcome this but conditioning alone.

I just donât understand how he gets written off for his weight but everything else he does getâs thrown at the wayside.

regardless of the Louis age, if he is 218 and Marciano is 184 - Marciano is giving up so much weight he shouldnât be big enough to beat Louis let alone outgun him with relative easy. Louis was the one who stated himself that Marciano was as strong as a bull.

Silly post.

[IronDanHamza]

doing trt 4 years ago is not a roid user. Right? You know more than me about it. So what do you say?

correct I used trt 3-4 years ago because my job as a tattoo artist had me sitting in a charge slouching for hours on end.

I stopped a long time ago to get back into boxing.

Crawford is better in every category than Inuoe. Its not just size. Inoue isnâÃÂÃÂt good enough. Pacquiao came from the same division as Inoue, and at his peak he has a great chance of beating crawford.

Inoue doesnâÃÂÃÂt because heâÃÂÃÂs not good enough. HeâÃÂÃÂs too easy to hit and hell try and slug with a stronger man.

IâÂÂm ******ed ?? Lolâ¦.You ONLY use TRT hahah give me a break. You sound like you are pulling your hair out in every post

So yes, you admit again you used TRT. You’ve just tried to insult me for pinning. When YOU pinned your TRT

I hate to break this to you but once you inject synthetic compounds into your body, like you openly admit you did, then your natural card is gone forever. And you certainly would have to be the biggest idiot on the planet to try and ridicule someone else for using performance enhancements when YOU admit to using them yourself

And yes, at this stage of my life I only take a TRT dosage. Exactly the same thing you took you fool.

You’re embarrassing yourself.

Ok then Inoue vs Hamzah Sheeraz. Would size play a factor in that fight do you think, genius?

[shawnkemp804]

Lol this would make sense until you realize the current heavyweight champion Usyk weighed 175 pounds until his 20's and 199 pounds until his early 30's. Also since the 1970's there have been tons of 6'5 plus inch heavyweights. In the 1990's when I was a kid growing up you would frequently see 6'6 250 pound plus heavyweights and nobody was impressed by their size or act like their size was shocking. None of these guys became champions either.

This is another way you can tell that most people who pretend to be boxing fans pretty much get their information from YouTube channels.