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  • #31
    Originally posted by Bronson66

    The term," out ,"as in," knocked out," is taken from"knocked out of time",ie being on the canvas for 10 seconds.
    Hence Ali was not," down and out," which you stated he was.
    Marciano, in the heat of the moment landed a full blooded shot to the body,which momentarily winded Ali and he halted the action and took a knee,telling Woroner if its going to be like this then I want paying accordingly .Woroner anteed up more cash.
    You are deliberately trying to make it appear Marciano sent Ali down and out ,and its just BS!
    Do you really think those rounds were not interrupted several times,and then spliced back together so both men could gather themselves,and get their breath,because I can tell you they were and Dundee and Pacheco confirmed it!
    Do you also really believe that,IF both men," had gone for it",Marciano would not have had the piss beaten out of him?
    - - KOs count the same as TKOs in fighter records as anyone who follows boxing knows but U...yeah!!!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Bronson66

      If they were the same,and they are not,why are they spelt different,and why would there be a need for 2 different interpretations?

      One is a knockout where a fighter is counted out of time, unable to rise inside ten seconds.
      The other is a technical knockout where a fight is stopped because a fighter is
      1. In no position to defend himself.
      2.Has sustained an injury to the point where ,to continue,would place his health in serious danger.

      I don't need a fool who has never boxed to try and explain the nuances of the 2 terms to me,who has.

      Just stick to being the village idiot,it's what you are good at,actually, it's the only thing you are good at!
      No, it's ok. I love the fact he know has to admit Lennox Lewis definitively beat his hero Vits. If they count the same he'll never be able to argue this, or Byrd stopping Vits, or Brewster stopping Wlad again. If the two are indistinguishable (ko's and tko's)it chops the legs off many of the arguments and or conspiracy theories he likes to use when his heroes lose. No more tko6. It shall now be known as ktfo 6.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bronson66

        If they were the same,and they are not,why are they spelt different,and why would there be a need for 2 different interpretations?

        One is a knockout where a fighter is counted out of time, unable to rise inside ten seconds.
        The other is a technical knockout where a fight is stopped because a fighter is
        1. In no position to defend himself.
        2.Has sustained an injury to the point where ,to continue,would place his health in serious danger.

        I don't need a fool who has never boxed to try and explain the nuances of the 2 terms to me,who has.

        Just stick to being the village idiot,it's what you are good at,actually, it's the only thing you are good at!
        - -Spelled differently to confound the boxing illiteri polluting boxing as in U…

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        • #34
          I try to use "stoppages."

          We talked last year about how difficult it is today to get a clean KO.

          If a fighter goes down hard and has no chance of getting up, the referee, rightly so, stops counting and it becomes a TKO. But the guy on the floor is unconscious.

          Also I have seen fighters about to be stopped on a TKO only to have their seconds jump in the ring and get the fighters DQed. E.g. Livingstone Bramble had Kenny Vice ready to go for a TKO but before the referee could stop the fight Vice's second came through the ropes. Boxrec calls that a DQ.

          I find the term stoppage to be the best term to use.
          Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 12-24-2024, 11:23 AM.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bronson66

            The term," out ,"as in," knocked out," is taken from"knocked out of time",ie being on the canvas for 10 seconds.
            Hence Ali was not," down and out," which you stated he was.
            Marciano, in the heat of the moment landed a full blooded shot to the body,which momentarily winded Ali and he halted the action and took a knee,telling Woroner if its going to be like this then I want paying accordingly .Woroner anteed up more cash.
            You are deliberately trying to make it appear Marciano sent Ali down and out ,and its just BS!
            Do you really think those rounds were not interrupted several times,and then spliced back together so both men could gather themselves,and get their breath,because I can tell you they were and Dundee and Pacheco confirmed it!
            Do you also really believe that,IF both men," had gone for it",Marciano would not have had the piss beaten out of him?
            This is not what it said though. Ali went down and took a knee. And refused to continue.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bronson66

              Below is what you posted and its BS.I know it, and you know it!
              "Marciano responded by hitting Ali in the solar plexus and putting him down and out "
              - - So Ali was out after Rocky pulled him?

              And U been bawling like a newborn ever since?

              U have my condolences...yeah!!!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bronson66

                At no time was Ali out despite what Them Apples would like to believe.
                As to what you believe. WTF Cares?lol

                THE REAL ROCKY: The Untold Story of the Greatest Boxer Ever - Full Movie 4K

                Lots of innaccuracies in this eg ,Marciano gave nothing to Carmine Vingo.Allie not Ellie Columbo.​
                - - Y I wanna watch some Utube hack lay a tu rd 4 U?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bronson66

                  If they were the same,and they are not,why are they spelt different,and why would there be a need for 2 different interpretations?

                  One is a knockout where a fighter is counted out of time, unable to rise inside ten seconds.
                  The other is a technical knockout where a fight is stopped because a fighter is
                  1. In no position to defend himself.
                  2.Has sustained an injury to the point where ,to continue,would place his health in serious danger.

                  I don't need a fool who has never boxed to try and explain the nuances of the 2 terms to me,who has.

                  Just stick to being the village idiot,it's what you are good at,actually, it's the only thing you are good at!
                  - - Mo' BlahBlah from U. KO, TKO, Retired, ect ad infinitum, are consolidated by Boxrec as KOs when the press prints their records...duh!!!

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                  • #39
                    Vits was KO'd by Byrd.....never rematched him after that humiliating decapitation of his soul. Queenie said so.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bronson66

                      At no time was Ali out despite what Them Apples would like to believe.
                      As to what you believe. WTF Cares?lol

                      THE REAL ROCKY: The Untold Story of the Greatest Boxer Ever - Full Movie 4K

                      Lots of innaccuracies in this eg ,Marciano gave nothing to Carmine Vingo.Allie not Ellie Columbo.​
                      really annoying man I went to the trouble of literally screen capping the pages and source to where Ali was put down to a knee, and refused to continue fighting. that doesn't sound like childs play. Your argument then became we don't know how long he was out. well, long enough to discuss how much money he wanted to continue!

                      You relentlessly ask me to source things then conveniently forget about them a month later. exhausting.

                      How many times did Ali touch down? let alone from a body shot?
                      Last edited by them_apples; 12-28-2024, 12:52 AM.

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