Pacquiao - Measured against all time.

[HisExcellency]

I don't really care what other people have to say. I care about the actual facts, which are, his KO% vs ranked fighters is very low. Which is why he's not a KO artist.

Having a high KO% doesn't mean anything when it's against unranked opposition.

Ali Raymi had a 100% KO ratio. But who was it against?

In Adrien Broner's first 26 fights he had 22 KO's. 84%, is Adrien Broner a KO artist?

You can list a plethora of fighters who aren't even big punchers that have a high KO% against unranked fighters. It means nothing.

Keith Thurman is not a KO artist. It's just as simple as that. He's barely even rocked ranked opposition, let alone dropped them and let alone stopped them.



Where have I dissected and critiqued his resume? Not once

I've simply refuted your revisionist history that when Pacquaio fought Thurman he was some avoided monster and KO artist when he frankly wasn't. If he was that, he wouldn't have been the favourite to win. Unlike when he was scheduled to fight Spence and he was a massive underdog.

And I didn't say it wasn't a risky fight, obviously it was but it's not some legacy building fight that secures a Top 5 ATG position. It's a good solid win and nothing more.

Lmao you claim to NOT be 'dissecting and critiquing' Thurman's resume but then go on to differentiate his KO ratio between ranked and unranked opposition!

Firstly, I'm NOT talking about his KO ratio against ranked fighter's specifically but his KO ratio OVERALL which was 76% at the time of facing Pacquiao which MAKES him a puncher. FACTS! At the time of the Pacquiao fight, Thurman had STOPPED 22 of 29 opponents he shared the ring with which included both former champions and mandatory challengers. Also, of the 7 men he failed to stop, he still dropped Guerrero (former 2 division champion) multiple times and Bundu & Lopez who were both former world title challengers. Therefore, his power definitely CARRIED through to the highest levels even if he failed to stop all of those guys outright. In fact, the only fighter's he failed to put a dent in at the highest level were Garcia & Porter but even a seasoned puncher like Spence failed to get them out of there (although he did drop Porter). Therefore, ALL things considered, Thurman was definitely a puncher at the time he faced Pacquiao and absolutely nothing you say can make me thing otherwise.

I'm sure I could dig up plenty of videos, articles, interviews etc. talking about Thurman being avoided and a power puncher at his peak but I simply can't be bothered because I KNOW I'm right. Also, Pacquiao may've been the betting favourite in the fight but that still doesn't negate the fact that he was 40yo and a full DECADE older when he dropped and took both the '0' and belt of a young fighter in his prime who had a 76% KO ratio at the time. Pacquiao was also fighting in his 8th weight class whereas Thurman was a career Welterweight. Therefore, all things considered, it was an AWESOME victory and the icing on the cake of a legendary career like I said all along.

[HisExcellency]

gtfoh...

to downplay pacquaio's great win @ ww, you tried to paint a picture that thurman was always a light hitting prospect that was ducking errol spence, when the truth is he owned 2 of the 4 belts and called out your boy floyd with regularity

thurman was 29-0 22 kos, 30 yrs old held two of the titles, in his prime, and a natural ww, not one of those blown up lightweights your boy floyd was trying to pull up in one fight

IronDanHamza FACTS!

Pls tell me another time where a 40yo fighter beat an undefeated champion with a c.76% KO ratio who was a full DECADE younger? I'll wait...

[JAB5239]

- - Facts hurt dumbos, but Manny needed 2 BALCO trainer fights before he could notch his first win against Manny...just da facts, ma'am...

Manny needed 2 BALCO trainer fight? Those are the facts??

Just because his strength and conditioning coach used PED'S doesn't prove JMM did. That's like saying just because Vitaly was a steroid cheat that Wlad is. It's short sighted and ridiculous.

[HisExcellency]

Manny needed 2 BALCO trainer fight? Those are the facts??

Just because his strength and conditioning coach used PED'S doesn't prove JMM did. That's like saying just because Vitaly was a steroid cheat that Wlad is. It's short sighted and ridiculous.

Not to get involved in your conversation but it seems highly su$picious to me that JMM failed to drop Pacquiao ONCE in their first 3 fights (whereas Pacquiao dropped him 4 times) but then dropped him twice in the 4th and final fight including a devastating KO.

Seems FISHY!

[JAB5239]

Not to get involved in your conversation but it seems highly su$picious to me that JMM failed to drop Pacquiao ONCE in their first 3 fights (whereas Pacquiao dropped him 4 times) but then dropped him twice in the 4th and final fight including a devastating KO.

Seems FISHY!

I'm not a JMM fan. I am a Pacquaio fan. But in boxing these things happen. Marquez passed all tests and was always open to testing. Nothing fishy about catching your opponent with a great punch.

[HisExcellency]

I'm not a JMM fan. I am a Pacquaio fan. But in boxing these things happen. Marquez passed all tests and was always open to testing. Nothing fishy about catching your opponent with a great punch.

Agreed…it WAS a great punch but I still have question marks about Marquez’s sudden onset of power (he dropped him twice) even if he DID pass all the drug tests. He also worked with a former drugs cheat plus I doubt the validity of those tests. Anyhow, this is just speculation on my part but I’ll always have question marks about the result even if I’m a fan of both fighters.

[JAB5239]

Agreed…it WAS a great punch but I still have question marks about Marquez’s sudden onset of power (he dropped him twice) even if he DID pass all the drug tests. He also worked with a former drugs cheat plus I doubt the validity of those tests. Anyhow, this is just speculation on my part but I’ll always have question marks about the result even if I’m a fan of both fighters.

Pacquiao too has been accused of using PED's. No proof, and he's passed all tests. I given the same merit to those allegations as I do to the allegations against Marquez. In the modern era since the 1990's its pretty easy to point a finger and accuse someone. With no proof though, for me personally, I just can't penalize a person.

[IronDanHamza]

Lmao you claim to NOT be 'dissecting and critiquing' Thurman's resume but then go on to differentiate his KO ratio between ranked and unranked opposition!

Yeah, I'm not. Haven't critiqued his resume once. Thurman has a solid resume and is one of the solid WW's of the modern WW era. Not once have I critiqued his resume.

I have disputed your claim that he is a KO artist, because he's not and that's just a fact.

Firstly, I'm NOT talking about his KO ratio against ranked fighter's specifically but his KO ratio OVERALL which was 76% at the time of facing Pacquiao which MAKES him a puncher. FACTS! At the time of the Pacquiao fight, Thurman had STOPPED 22 of 29 opponents he shared the ring with which included both former champions and mandatory challengers. Also, of the 7 men he failed to stop, he still dropped Guerrero (former 2 division champion) multiple times and Bundu & Lopez who were both former world title challengers. Therefore, his power definitely CARRIED through to the highest levels even if he failed to stop all of those guys outright. In fact, the only fighter's he failed to put a dent in at the highest level were Garcia & Porter but even a seasoned puncher like Spence failed to get them out of there (although he did drop Porter). Therefore, ALL things considered, Thurman was definitely a puncher at the time he faced Pacquiao and absolutely nothing you say can make me thing otherwise.

Well that's precisely the problem and why I told you to use context.

I'm aware you are not talking about ranked fighters, and again that's the problem. If being a KO Artist is having a high KO% vs unranked fighters then you can bascially pull out almost anyone.

Is Mayweather a KO artist? His KO% vs unranked fighters is what, 85+ % or something like that? Does that make him a KO artist?

I'm sure I could dig up plenty of videos, articles, interviews etc. talking about Thurman being avoided and a power puncher at his peak but I simply can't be bothered because I KNOW I'm right. Also, Pacquiao may've been the betting favourite in the fight but that still doesn't negate the fact that he was 40yo and a full DECADE older when he dropped and took both the '0' and belt of a young fighter in his prime who had a 76% KO ratio at the time. Pacquiao was also fighting in his 8th weight class whereas Thurman was a career Welterweight. Therefore, all things considered, it was an AWESOME victory and the icing on the cake of a legendary career like I said all along.

Never disputed it's a good win, of course it is. It's just no the monumental win you're trying to make out it was using revisionist history.

[IronDanHamza]

IronDanHamza FACTS!

Pls tell me another time where a 40yo fighter beat an undefeated champion with a c.76% KO ratio who was a full DECADE younger? I'll wait...

Ok then Benard Hopkins vs Tavouris Cloud That was quite fuckin easy.

Hopkins 48 years old, Cloud 31 years old, 17 years younger.

Cloud was undefeated, reigning champion and had a higher KO% than Thurman.

Is that a great win for Hopkins? It shouldn't be because Cloud is crap but by your logic it is.

Was Cloud a KO artist? Must be, right? He has a massively high KO % against unranked fighters, but oh look it massively drops vs ranked fighters.

That's the beautiful thing known as "context".

[IronDanHamza]

gtfoh...

to downplay pacquaio's great win @ ww, you tried to paint a picture that thurman was always a light hitting prospect that was ducking errol spence, when the truth is he owned 2 of the 4 belts and called out your boy floyd with regularity

thurman was 29-0 22 kos, 30 yrs old held two of the titles, in his prime, and a natural ww, not one of those blown up lightweights your boy floyd was trying to pull up in one fight

Literally not a single thing you said has any relevance what so ever to the topic.

The only time Thurman was any where close to Floyd's radar was 2014, Pacquaio fought him in 2019. So that is a moot point.

Well, if not calling it a "great win" is downplaying it then yeah I am because it's not a "great win". It's a good win.

Never said he was "light hitting" either you fat clown I said he's not a KO artist or big puncher because he's not and I've backed that up with actual data. And also, he was avoiding Spence at that time.