What Previous Hvy Champs Could Whoop Usyk?

[Kid Cauliflower]

I don't find his content rewarding enough to really consider it. I was talking to Marchegiano the other day,he thinks this place is going belly up pretty soon.

Who doesn't?

[Willow The Wisp]

I think Queen is trying to say that Norton didn't win the title in the ring.

Norton won a WBC eliminator against Young he was slated to fight Neon Leon. But once Spinks signed for the Ali rematch, and blew off the WBC mandatory, the WBC stripped and GAVE the title to Norton.

Holmes then won it by SD from Norton.

....And subsequently beat both Ali and Spinks, the last two champions, with ease.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - LOL Light in the Loafers Lenny.

U awash in Hogwash is an impressive sight to behold with a gas mask.

Lol. Thank you galaxy traveler!!

Glazkov, *****ko, Vyrchys and Rudenko would all show up as decent Ukrainians if I extended the list to 300. But if I do, Nigeria has Ukraine beat 2 to 1, so knowledge offers little for you here. But while Usyk is going, I believe that Vladyslav Sirenko is coming to maintain representation, as he's safe in Stanten Island at the moment.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol. Thank you galaxy traveler!!

Glazkov, *****ko, Vyrchys and Rudenko would all show up as decent Ukrainians if I extended the list to 300. But if I do, Nigeria has Ukraine beat 2 to 1, so knowledge offers little for you here. But while Usyk is going, I believe that Vladyslav Sirenko is coming to maintain representation, as he's safe in Stanten Island at the moment.

- - What's your footie team?

[Willow The Wisp]

- - What's your footie team?

I don't know any .....Bloody Yank

[billeau2]

Which champ did Norton beat for the title? Frazier never trained Norton.

If Queenie actually watched a fight now and then? he would realize even the contention that Norton beat Young is debatable. Young seemed to me to get robbed that fight and many agree...

[billeau2]

- - 3 decades of Ukrainian hvy dominance, and U in Depends is it now?

BS. Pure BS. We cannot even say Usyk is dominant until the next Fury fight... What if he loses? Which essentially means, he was not a dominant heavy weight for years, but that he beat Joshua... If he wins, he COULD become dominant. But the bar is so low... Lewis made it high, Klitsko made it low...

Lets see Usyk neat Fury, beat a few young lions... Then we can maybe talk dominant. Lets see if Joshua beats Dubois... Was Joshua a great scalp? or a very good one, with Dubois being a very good one as well (IF dubois beats Joshua).

You have these cocamamie ideas about fighters that are just silly, ridiculous and annoying. Usyk has not even been dominant yet and you want to give him 12 years... I mean so silly.

[billeau2]

I respectfully disagree. If you say heavyweights of yesteryear wouldn't be heavyweights today you can't say a man that fought as Cruiserweight for most of his career has been a heavyweightl today. I'd you are going by classes that seems to be a dou le standard I'm my opinion.

It also has a tendency to cause confusion historically... Tunney... Great heavyweight? yeah but his baliwic was light heavy. He was a great light heavy, so great he beat heavyweights...

Just because a light heavy can beat heavyweights does not mean they should be listed as a great heavyweight... Tunney's natural prey/predators would be fighters like Michael Spinks, Rosenbloom, Moore, Beterbeiv, etc.

[JAB5239]

It also has a tendency to cause confusion historically... Tunney... Great heavyweight? yeah but his baliwic was light heavy. He was a great light heavy, so great he beat heavyweights...

Just because a light heavy can beat heavyweights does not mean they should be listed as a great heavyweight... Tunney's natural prey/predators would be fighters like Michael Spinks, Rosenbloom, Moore, Beterbeiv, etc.

100%. This is why I don't have Tunney in my top 20. Great fighter and I respect his move up to beat Dempsey, but how do you rate him with so few fights against bigger fighters. We have no idea how he would hold up with a full career at heavyweight. Same with Usyk. He is certainly on the right trajectory, but who says his career wouldn't have been altered if ge had started his career with the bigboys instead of at Cruiserweight? To many "what ifs" to just lable greatness on Tunney or so soon with Usyk.

[QueensburyRules]

BS. Pure BS. We cannot even say Usyk is dominant until the next Fury fight... What if he loses? Which essentially means, he was not a dominant heavy weight for years, but that he beat Joshua... If he wins, he COULD become dominant. But the bar is so low... Lewis made it high, Klitsko made it low...

Lets see Usyk neat Fury, beat a few young lions... Then we can maybe talk dominant. Lets see if Joshua beats Dubois... Was Joshua a great scalp? or a very good one, with Dubois being a very good one as well (IF dubois beats Joshua).

You have these cocamamie ideas about fighters that are just silly, ridiculous and annoying. Usyk has not even been dominant yet and you want to give him 12 years... I mean so silly.

- - Well, we can’t say U was better than Kerouac and Ginsberg yet, yet U is moving in that direction.