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  • #31
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
    - - Obviously Hurricane Peter McNeely was...duh...
    And....Tyson was forced to operate while tightly wrapped in a cacoon of fear.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post

      Did you know????....

      That in a 24 year, 62 bout career, Frans Botha never, ever beat a ranked (top15) Heavyweight?
      Not even one.

      A few Draws, Briggs, Etienne, An overturned NC, Schultz. Beat a couple decent pros, Pannell, Guy, Bostice; but nobody beaten from the top 15, ever.
      A split nod over Timo Hoffmann was the closest he got.

      After he was all used up, he did manage kickboxing wins over 2 of the 5 best ever, Aerts & LeBanner, aided by injuries, and one over Thai great Kaoklai Kaennorsing, during his post boxing K-1 foray.

      What makes this unusual is that his promotion kept him semi-relivent dispite this absence of quality wins for almost 17 years!!

      He served as Joseph Parker's 5th win victim.

      Just an oddity.​
      That is amazing given how famous he is

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tatabanya View Post
        not many people remember that Alex Stewart had given a prime Holyfield hell just one year before getting annihilated by Mike in a couple of minutes or less. That was one of the best versions of Tyson ever, if you ask me.
        Ah, post-Douglas fight when he was supposed to be past his prime aged 24. I knew you knew better deep down. I'm gonna remember this one.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BKM- View Post

          Ah, post-Douglas fight when he was supposed to be past his prime aged 24. I knew you knew better deep down. I'm gonna remember this one.
          I wrote "one of the best versions ever", not "the best version ever".

          Even past his prime, especially under Richie Giachetti, Tyson was still able to show glimpses of excellence. The Stewart fight was one of them.

          Another one was the Bite Fight, until the bite...
          Last edited by Tatabanya; 05-03-2024, 11:12 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Tatabanya View Post

            I wrote "one of the best versions ever", not "the best version ever".

            Even past his prime, especially under Richie Giachetti, Tyson was still able to show glimpses of excellence. The Stewart fight was one of them.

            Another one was the Bite Fight, until the bite...
            Don’t recommend arguing with someone who thinks Mike Tyson ducked Ray Mercer LMAO and Ike Ibeabuchi whose limelight was when tyson was suspended

            But yeah, for sure, Tyson was physically peaked in Ruddock 1 and 2 IMO. His loss to Douglas simply has to do with him draining his energy all night the ****ing a bunch of fangirls which takes the energy out of anyone (reddit incel ****** mike tyson haters wouldn’t be able to understand though).

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post

              The Botha fight was Tyson at a very low. I remember how he tried to break Botha's arm out of frustration. Still Tyson got the KO in style.
              Tyson was completely shot after 99. IMO,
              Tysons career can be divided into this:
              85-86- Green , getting experienced
              88-88, boxing peak skillswise and mentally and physically. Threw to the body
              89-91: inconsistent, physical peak during ruddock fights. eroded skills but still threw to the body
              95-97: Still a dangerous fighter, far pst his best and was a headhunter but still displayed skills and power, esp against bruno and early on vs holyfield. Mentally shot but physically a threat.
              99-05: Completely shot

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              • #37
                Originally posted by thebrownbomber_ View Post

                Don’t recommend arguing with someone who thinks Mike Tyson ducked Ray Mercer LMAO and Ike Ibeabuchi whose limelight was when tyson was suspended

                But yeah, for sure, Tyson was physically peaked in Ruddock 1 and 2 IMO. His loss to Douglas simply has to do with him draining his energy all night the ****ing a bunch of fangirls which takes the energy out of anyone (reddit incel ****** mike tyson haters wouldn’t be able to understand though).
                BKM- told me once he was born in 1990 or so, therefore I am not really "arguing" with him. I can't blame him about hating Tyson, either, because I have been doing the same with Oscar De La Hoya since he rose to stardom... Everyone has a fighter who stimulates his worst instincts

                Speaking for myself: having lived through the Tyson era, and having studied the subject on innumerable books (including his own Undisputed Truth, which is a must-read), I think I have managed to graduate from "fanboy" to "unbiased expert" by now.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Tatabanya View Post

                  BKM- told me once he was born in 1990 or so, therefore I am not really "arguing" with him. I can't blame him about hating Tyson, either, because I have been doing the same with Oscar De La Hoya since he rose to stardom... Everyone has a fighter who stimulates his worst instincts

                  Speaking for myself: having lived through the Tyson era, and having studied the subject on innumerable books (including his own Undisputed Truth, which is a must-read), I think I have managed to graduate from "fanboy" to "unbiased expert" by now.
                  I was born in 2003. When he was completely shot

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by thebrownbomber_ View Post
                    99-05: Completely shot
                    Not really agreeing with you here. The little he showed against Savarese, Golota, Etienne and Williams (before the injury) was still impressive, considering that he was already chock full of drugs by then.

                    For me, Tyson was definitively shot only against McBride, in his very last fight. In fact it was then and there that he uttered the famous words, "it's not in my guts anymore".
                    Last edited by Tatabanya; 05-04-2024, 01:24 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by thebrownbomber_ View Post

                      I was born in 2003. When he was completely shot
                      See above

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