Did any fighter ever look more spectacular than Roy Jones Jr?

[BattlingNelson]

Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya both came out of the gate in spectacular and hyped fashion. Mike Tyson fast grew into that spectacular groove. Whether they looked more or less spectacular than Jones is of course subjective. Over time Oscar's star faded but you have to factor in the level of opposition and both Leonard and Oscar tops Jones by a mile in that department.

[LITTLE JOE]

Joe Calzaghe 46-0.

They fought in 2008 10 years after Jones best days. Roy was washed by then.

[Anthony342]

They fought in 2008 10 years after Jones best days. Roy was washed by then.

Yep and yet he still managed to knock down Joe in the first round, just as Hopkins did. Just imagine how much sharper both guys would be if the fight happens sooner. Yes Joe would've been younger too, but he still gets caught more. Roy uses speed and Hopkins would still be able to time him and fight on the inside, as he was known to do. Roy wins easy from the outside and Bernard probably an ugly UD either widely or close if Joe catches him early and scores a KD of his own if these happen a few years before they did. You guys have picks for those fights if they happened sooner? And I've heard the consensus is that Roy relied more on speed and reflexes than technical skill, sometimes holding hands a little low or using a left hook to start/get inside/get off instead of a jab. He still had skills, but is that accurate? I've heard that sometimes said about Ali too.

[freetoroam]

Roy Jones??....Don't you mean ROID Jones.

[joseph5620]

But look at the HOF's...(I edit my post after you responded)...Toney already was on the slide big time for his previous fight with Charles Williams and was on his way to a one-sided lose to a guy a few fights shy of retirement, when miraculously, about mid-way through the final round, Toney lands a money shot and KO's his way out of a bad upset. He goes into a RJJ's fight next in even worse shape. Toney always had discipline problems. That win made RJJ look great, but it was not the big win he got credit for. Paz was not expected to ever fight again, and RJJ was gutted after beating him for that reason. Paz had no business fighting. He wore a halo with four metal screws drilled into his forehead to support a breastplate and steel rod stabilizing his spine after the accident that was supposed to leave him paralyzed from a broken neck. Sorry, this was not a defining moment for RJJ beating Paz. Hopkins prime came considerably after the 1st RJJ fight. At the time, it was not really as big a win if it had happened when Hopkins came into his own.

Now with that being said...I'm a big RJJ fan, and always was. I even liked to watch him when he was...well...shot, and would still watch him today. But he really didn't do as much as people like to say he did, and I've always been aware of it. But he did have cat-like speed, and it was exciting to watch him use it.

You're seriously rewriting history with that among other things here. Prince Charles Williams was not dominating Toney at any point in their fight.

Toney was also well ahead on all three cards. He didn't need the knockout to win.

[jaded]

You're seriously rewriting history with that among other things here. Prince Charles Williams was not dominating Toney at any point in their fight.

Toney was also well ahead on all three cards. He didn't need the knockout to win.

I had just watched it about a few days prior to my post, and to me and the commentators, he appeared to be losing with an almost closed eye and a point deduction. But when I found the official scorecards, I see you are right...I stand corrected.

[joseph5620]

I know it is very unpopular to say, but some do say, that the Jones' robbery in 1988 was predicated on the Korean belief that their guy, Chun Chil-sung got jobbed against Pernell Whitaker in Los Angles (1984).

I am not saying Jones wasn't a victim, he was, but the Korean anger wasn't directed against him, but the USA.

From the Korean POV it was one host nation taking unfair advantage over another 'host nation' they believed screwed them in '84.

We tend to only see other's *****. I think we call it Patriotism.

You can't even remotely compare that fight to Jones-Park. That's a ridiculos comparison. I also haven't seen even one boxing source claim that the Whitaker-Sung fight was a robbery. Sung was swinging at air and Whitaker clearly outboxed him. There were nọ "*****" for that fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

You can't even remotely compare that fight to Jones-Park. That's a ridiculos comparison. I also haven't seen even one boxing source claim that the Whitaker-Sung fight was a robbery. Sung was swinging at air and Whitaker clearly outboxed him. There were nọ "*****" for that fight.

You're missing the point. I was not suggesting that the robbery was equal. Whether You or I think it was a robbery isn't the issue. The Koreans were complaining about it.

Check out the Chun Chil Sung Wikipedia page for a reference.

[joseph5620]

You're missing the point. I was not suggesting that the robbery was equal. Whether You or I think it was a robbery isn't the issue. The Koreans were complaining about it.

Check out the Chun Chil Sung Wikipedia page for a reference.

I don't doubt the Koreans made that claim but I've watched that fight and there is no case for the Korean fighter winning. It's that clear. That's a poor excuse on their part.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't doubt the Koreans made that claim but I've watched that fight and there is no case for the Korean fighter winning. It's that clear. That's a poor excuse on their part.

That's fair, I wouldn't argue with that at all. I never watched the fight. I only remember after the Jones robbery some of the boxing rags referring back to the Korean anger in Los Angeles.