Evidence of fixing fights

[Willie Pep 229]

Jim Morrissey was elected, post Civil War, to the United States House of Representative twice.

It was a structured deal between Albany and Tammany Hall to help bring the Irish back under some level of control after the 1863 gang riots.

As part of the deal Albany restructured the New York (Manhattan) districts to ensure at least one Irish ********ic candidate (from the Five Points) would be elected to Congress.

Much in the same way they gerrymander districts today to ensure Black candidates will win.

Morrissey broke with Tammany Hall and testified against Boss Tweed in 1873. This soured his relationship with many of the Irish but he was rewarded by the Nativists with a seat in the New York State Senate for several terms.

In the Yankee Sullivan fight the New York Times (October 24th 1853) states that Sullivan had the better day but it was nowhere near being a one sided affair as suggested above. After 37 rounds (London Prize Ring Rules) Morrissey's face was chop meat with one eye closed but it was Yankee Sullivan who too often ended most of the rounds by taking a knee to gain a rest; although legal, the crowd booed this tactic

In the 37th round Morrissey got too dirty by wrapping his arm around Sullivan's neck and lifting him off his feet. This cleared the corners and a brawl ensued.

The referee awarded the fight to Morrissey, at first claiming that Morrissey got the nod because he had refrained from participating in the brawl, where as Yankee Sullivan freely brawl with Morrissey's seconds. The referee called Yankee Sullivan's punches 'foul blows.'

When this argument fell short, the referee, a few days later, changed his story, claiming Sullivan had abandoned the ring and was DQ.

But the New York Times states that Sullivan had not left the ring and was calling for Morrissey to continue fighting.

The fight's stake-holder under the Lindon Prize Ring Rules (who is not mentioned by name) didn't agree with the referee's decision and by power of possession of the stake, awarded the $2000 battle money to Sullivan.

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The Perez fight was presumed to be a dive.I don't know anything about the Legra fight.

The Legra fight dive is my su****ion

[Willie Pep 229]

Lulu Perez win over Willie Pep was a dive. Alexis Arguello win over Jose Legra was a dive.

Pep diving for Perez I agree with. If Pep eased himself down to the canvas any softer he could have taken a nap.

But Pep was broke, cleaned out by two wives and a wild lifestyle.

After such a storied career it was his right (IMHO) to turn cross and make himself one final payday. I hope he got in some good bets at long odds.

[Willie Pep 229]

In regards to the London Prize Ring Rules (Morrissey-Sullivan) there was no 30 second count.

Fighters on a KD (ending the round) were grabbed by their seconds and dragged back behind the scratch (their corner, which was located inside the ropes) and had 30 seconds to revive their fighter and then bring him back 'up to scratch' at ring center.

When the 37th round brawl broke out, Morrissey stayed on one knee waiting for his seconds to grab him, but they didn't as they were busy attacking Sullivan.

The referee then DQed Sullivan for fowl blows, so Morrissey didn't need to come to scratch in the alloted 30 seconds, and proceeded to leave the ring.

The belief that the referee failed to give Sullivan a ten count for leaving the ring makes no sense.

The London Prize Ring Rules make no mention of any ten-count. (The ten-count was a MBQ safety rule deployed to avoid multiple concussions in the sane night. Something LPR rules could let happen. E.g. Kilrain-Sullivan.)

Besides, the newspaper account states that Sullivan never left the ring and that the Stake-holder awarded the prize to Yankee Sullivan.

LPR Rule #9

That at the expiration of thirty seconds (unless otherwise agreed upon) the umpire appointed shall cry “Time,” upon which each man shall rise from the knee of his bottle-holder and walk to his own side of the scratch unaided, the seconds and the bottle-holders remaining at their corner; and that either man failing so to be at the scratch within eight seconds, shall be deemed to have lost the battle.

There are no rules where a referee 'counts over a fallen fighter.'

The decision for the assigned Stake-holder to award the battle money (purse) to Yankee Sullivan is likely based on the following rule.

LPR Rule #12

That in picking up their men, should the seconds or bottle-holders wilfully injure the antagonist of their principal, the latter shall be deemed to have forfeited the battle on the decision of the referee.

Unfortunately, while the Stake-holder made the correct call, he was not supported by the referee's decision.

When a dispute occurs the Stake-holder holds back the battle money until the dispute is settled. Since the referee was obviously wrong in giving the fight to Morrissey (on foul blows by Sullivan) and then changed the reason for his bad decision to yet another different bad decision ( that Yankee Sullivan had left the ring) the Stake-holder, by the power invested to him, in that he was actually holding the money, gave it to Yankee Sullivan.

LPR Rule #23

That should the fight not be decided on the day, all bets, instead of being drawn, shall be put together and divided, unless the fight shall be resumed the same week, between Sunday and Sunday, in which case the bets shall stand and be decided by the event. That where the day named in the articles for a fight to come off is altered to another day in the same week, the bets shall stand. The battle-money shall remain in the hands of the stakeholder until fairly won or lost by a fight, unless a draw be mutually agreed upon.

And finally here is the rule regarding what the referee's bad decision was probably based on. (Bad, because all accounts Yankee Sullivan did not leave the ring.)

LRP Rule #24

That any pugilist voluntarily quitting the ring previous to the deliberate judgment of the referee being obtained, shall be deemed to have lost the fight.

Note there is no mention of a count, but instead immediate DQ if the fighter leaves the ring.

n short, there is no time that a referee gives a fallen fighter a count. The referee, after KDs (round enders) measures 30 seconds and calls 'time.' The participants than have 8 more seconds to come up to scratch.

The 10 count was invented as a MQB safety rule.

[kara]

Tyson vs. Jones was scripted, but sold as a legit fight

[QueensburyRules]

Jim Morrissey was elected, post Civil War, to the United States House of Representative twice.

It was a structured deal between Albany and Tammany Hall to help bring the Irish back under some level of control after the 1863 gang riots.

As part of the deal Albany restructured the New York (Manhattan) districts to ensure at least one Irish ********ic candidate (from the Five Points) would be elected to Congress.

Much in the same way they gerrymander districts today to ensure Black candidates will win.

Morrissey broke with Tammany Hall and testified against Boss Tweed in 1873. This soured his relationship with many of the Irish but he was rewarded by the Nativists with a seat in the New York State Senate for several terms.

In the Yankee Sullivan fight the New York Times (October 24th 1853) states that Sullivan had the better day but it was nowhere near being a one sided affair as suggested above. After 37 rounds (London Prize Ring Rules) Morrissey's face was chop meat with one eye closed but it was Yankee Sullivan who too often ended most of the rounds by taking a knee to gain a rest; although legal, the crowd booed this tactic

In the 37th round Morrissey got too dirty by wrapping his arm around Sullivan's neck and lifting him off his feet. This cleared the corners and a brawl ensued.

The referee awarded the fight to Morrissey, at first claiming that Morrissey got the nod because he had refrained from participating in the brawl, where as Yankee Sullivan freely brawl with Morrissey's seconds. The referee called Yankee Sullivan's punches 'foul blows.'

When this argument fell short, the referee, a few days later, changed his story, claiming Sullivan had abandoned the ring and was DQ.

But the New York Times states that Sullivan had not left the ring and was calling for Morrissey to continue fighting.

The fight's stake-holder under the Lindon Prize Ring Rules (who is not mentioned by name) didn't agree with the referee's decision and by power of possession of the stake, awarded the $2000 battle money to Sullivan.

- - Ace...

Yankee Sully was a Creep's creep, half the reason boxing was widely banned then. Even after the Liston/Clay travesty Boxing as a business is run by Creeps, the whole reason MTK got into boxing, used laundered $$$ to make legit $$$ like they do in the building biz and restaurants.