Whos the GOAT?

[Slugfester]

I don’t think there is any one greatest of all time. For one thing, it’s subjective, we all quantify greatness differently. Comparing fighters of different eras will always be met with the difficultly of measuring todays fighters durability versus old timers who fought several times per month, used 4 - 6 ounce gloves, and didn’t have the advantages of modern nutrition, footwear, and of course PEDs, which brings me to my next measure of greatness.

How many ATG fighters who have tested positive in recent decades (Fury, Mosley, Jones Jr., Toney, Canelo) or have a heavy cloud of su****ion hanging over their heads (Holyfield, Mayweather, Marquez) should have their legacies questioned and how would their careers have played out without the PEDs?

Robinson, Pep, Greb, Moore, had durability that cannot be matched or rivaled by greats like Ray Leonard, Michael Spinks, De La Hoya, who had relatively short careers by comparison.

Heard that song and dance 70 times how it's subjective and all that. It's in every thread.

[DooGee#33]

Not everyone has the same criteria when discussing GOAT. It's worse in basketball where media and the easily influenced throw ", Championship rings", into the equation. A team sport.

At least in boxing we don't have that issue.

For me it's Robinson. He has the resume to back it up. He certainly had the longevity. The quality of opposition is elite. The # of fights and wins impressive.
Besides all that Sugar Ray passes the eyetest. The speed, boxing ability, chin to go with one shot power in either hand.

When someone mentions P4P thats what I'm looking for. The current P4P King Terance Crawford has all the attributes to at least fit the mold of Robinson.

I can't see anyone coming along better than SRR.

[User Name HERE]

I don’t think there is any one greatest of all time. For one thing, it’s subjective, we all quantify greatness differently. Comparing fighters of different eras will always be met with the difficultly of measuring todays fighters durability versus old timers who fought several times per month, used 4 - 6 ounce gloves, and didn’t have the advantages of modern nutrition, footwear, and of course PEDs, which brings me to my next measure of greatness.

How many ATG fighters who have tested positive in recent decades (Fury, Mosley, Jones Jr., Toney, Canelo) or have a heavy cloud of su****ion hanging over their heads (Holyfield, Mayweather, Marquez) should have their legacies questioned and how would their careers have played out without the PEDs?

Robinson, Pep, Greb, Moore, had durability that cannot be matched or rivaled by greats like Ray Leonard, Michael Spinks, De La Hoya, who had relatively short careers by comparison.

Not even modern GOAT Charlie Z?

[them_apples]

Robinson for the talent
Marciano for his fighting spirit
Greb for his tenacity (greb seemed to beat everyone, no matter how big - didn’t matter).

Armstrong has a bit of everything

[GhostofDempsey]

Heard that song and dance 70 times how it's subjective and all that. It's in every thread.

Because it’s true. Who is more of an authority on all time greatness? Sports writers who never stepped into a ring? Boxers? Coaches? Random online fans? Most people don’t fen bother to quantify their selections, they just blurt out names based upon some inherent bias.

[travestyny]

Sugar Ray Robinson.

[them_apples]

When we're talking GOAT... surely it's hard to ignore Harry Greb!

More wins against more HOFers than any other boxer in history, makes him the obvious choice for me.

Is this the first time in history we agree on something? Our brain patterns have aligned!

[Slugfester]

Not everyone has the same criteria when discussing GOAT. It's worse in basketball where media and the easily influenced throw ", Championship rings", into the equation. A team sport.

At least in boxing we don't have that issue.

For me it's Robinson. He has the resume to back it up. He certainly had the longevity. The quality of opposition is elite. The # of fights and wins impressive.
Besides all that Sugar Ray passes the eyetest. The speed, boxing ability, chin to go with one shot power in either hand.

When someone mentions P4P thats what I'm looking for. The current P4P King Terance Crawford has all the attributes to at least fit the mold of Robinson.

I can't see anyone coming along better than SRR.

Sorry. Crawford does not have the competition to be that impressive.

[them_apples]

Sorry. Crawford does not have the competition to be that impressive.

Yeah there is unfortunately nothing crawford can do outside of just cementing his legacy today. For all time it’s not even possible, the competition isn’t there and the infrastructure has changed.

[Slugfester]

Because it’s true. Who is more of an authority on all time greatness? Sports writers who never stepped into a ring? Boxers? Coaches? Random online fans? Most people don’t fen bother to quantify their selections, they just blurt out names based upon some inherent bias.

Well, we already know that, from 90 other posts by everybody and his brother. It is subjective. OK we got it. You don't suppose they already thought about it, do you? No, it was ignorance and inherent bias. There are a few of you around here that expect every poster to be fully knowledgeable before they open their little mouths. Only you actually think about what you are saying.