Muhammad Ali. How great was he?

[The Defecator]

Among others Ali beat a Belgian, a Russian ,and a Pole, to get his Olympic Gold Medal.Was it his fault they didn't turn pro?
The OP has a long ,and confirmed history of tearing down great champions.
The only ones safe from his constant assassinations of reputations are;
Wlad
Vitali
Jeffries
They can do no wrong.

One might say he WHITE knights boxers with a melanin deficiency

[Ivich]

One might say he WHITE knights boxers with a melanin deficiency

Very droll,and very accurate!

[Ivich]

- - Mcvey barely outta diapers when Jeff hung em up. He was going to fight the winner of JJohnson/Marv Hart, but they stunk so bad he said, "Pheeeooow, I'm done with boxing."

McVey had a record of 27 fights when Jeffries hung up his gloves. Jeffries himself had fought just 21 times.
"McVea had fought twice before coming to Oxnard, once in Salinas and once in Australia; he had a reported record of 6-0-2 prior to this fight."
He was 21 years old when Jeffries retired, and 205/210lbs

[The D3vil]

He was the best HW of 2 decades (1960s & 1970s)

The 1970s was arguably the best HW era.

He beat 5 of the 25 or so best HWs of all-time (Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Patterson, Norton)

Including 3 of the top 10 (Foreman, Frazier, Liston)

He beat 4 Olympic Gold Medalists

He has no misses & faced every professional he should've faced, even when he shouldn't have faced them (Holmes, Berbick, Spinks)

[Ivich]

- - Mcvey barely outta diapers when Jeff hung em up. He was going to fight the winner of JJohnson/Marv Hart, but they stunk so bad he said, "Pheeeooow, I'm done with boxing."

When Jeffries retired after 21 fights,McVey was 21 years old with a record of 27 fights and weighed 205/210lbs.So much for his alleged "inexperience."
Before his fight with Johnson ,Hart stated.
" I am a Southerner I will fight this ****** just to put him in his place but I shall never fight another," he never did.
Nobody is going to convince me that McVey would not have been a tougher fight for Jeffries than no hopers, Munroe and Finnegan.Jeffries turned down a guaranteed $20,000 to fight McVey in1903 and fought Munroe instead, a year later, he got under $8000 for the farce against Munroe.

Jeffries defended against Finnegan in a Masonic Hall that had been converted into an AC Club, Masonic Halls in the UK usually hold about 200/250 people I don't know if the US is any different,I didn't attend any meetings there.
What is clear is it would not have been a good purse for Jeffries.
The "fight " was a travesty that lasted 45 seconds.Jeffries was estimated as being up to70lbs heavier than the luckless Finnegan.
"Finnegan landed the first blow as they came to the center of the ring, and Jeffries then put his left on the Pittsburgh man's jaw and he went to the floor. Finnegan came up in a few seconds only to be sent to the floor again with a blow in the same place. He stayed down longer this time and when he again rose he was in visible distress. He had hardly assumed a fighting position before the champion put his left in the pit of his stomach and Finnegan went down completely out. Referee Siler counted the seconds off and when he stepped back it was seen that Finnegan was crying. He staggered to his feet, reeled against the ropes and his seconds rushed into the ring and carried him to his corner. It was several minutes before he recovered sufficiently to leave the ring. Jeffries said he weighed 220, but he looked 30 pounds heavier. Finnegan weighed but 180, and he looked like a boy beside the champion." (Brooklyn Daily Eagle)
Going into the Jeffries title fight Finnegan had met ONE class fighter.
Gus Ruhlin who massacred him in 4 rds, flooring him 7 times before koing him,and at one stage knocking him clear out of the ring.
This was only 3 months before Finnegan challenged Jeffries. Finnegan had 4 wins 2 draws and 4 losses when he fought Jeffries ,2 of his wins were dsq's, and 2 were over middleweights.
Given this verified information let's hear no more about how McVey was not a more suitable opponent for Jeffries in late1903 1904!

[BattlingNelson]

Ali had the best resume. No one is saying he didn't. I am saying he was very fortunate to win with BS judging in the third Norton fight and the young fight. He officially should have lost 7 times. Furthermore he was shall we say lucky the Lyle fight was stopped a tad early. And lucky he was not DQ'd in the Cooper fight or at least had it turn into a no contest.

And I say I used the RED line to stay away from talented Cubans and Russians.

Factor in all of the above. I do.

It's testament to Ali's fantastic record that you still say he has the best resume even thought he should have 7 losses according to you.

[Dr. Z]

It's testament to Ali's fantastic record that you still say he has the best resume even thought he should have 7 losses according to you.

He has five losses , 2 gift wins by the " judges " and several close calls. He did not fight any Russians or Cubans the two groups had great international talent of the times. I can add details to the above.

[Dr. Z]

When Jeffries retired after 21 fights,McVey was 21 years old with a record of 27 fights and weighed 205/210lbs.So much for his alleged "inexperience."
Before his fight with Johnson ,Hart stated.
" I am a Southerner I will fight this ****** just to put him in his place but I shall never fight another," he never did.
Nobody is going to convince me that McVey would not have been a tougher fight for Jeffries than no hopers, Munroe and Finnegan.Jeffries turned down a guaranteed $20,000 to fight McVey in1903 and fought Munroe instead, a year later, he got under $8000 for the farce against Munroe.

Jeffries defended against Finnegan in a Masonic Hall that had been converted into an AC Club, Masonic Halls in the UK usually hold about 200/250 people I don't know if the US is any different,I didn't attend any meetings there.
What is clear is it would not have been a good purse for Jeffries.
The "fight " was a travesty that lasted 45 seconds.Jeffries was estimated as being up to70lbs heavier than the luckless Finnegan.
"Finnegan landed the first blow as they came to the center of the ring, and Jeffries then put his left on the Pittsburgh man's jaw and he went to the floor. Finnegan came up in a few seconds only to be sent to the floor again with a blow in the same place. He stayed down longer this time and when he again rose he was in visible distress. He had hardly assumed a fighting position before the champion put his left in the pit of his stomach and Finnegan went down completely out. Referee Siler counted the seconds off and when he stepped back it was seen that Finnegan was crying. He staggered to his feet, reeled against the ropes and his seconds rushed into the ring and carried him to his corner. It was several minutes before he recovered sufficiently to leave the ring. Jeffries said he weighed 220, but he looked 30 pounds heavier. Finnegan weighed but 180, and he looked like a boy beside the champion." (Brooklyn Daily Eagle)
Going into the Jeffries title fight Finnegan had met ONE class fighter.
Gus Ruhlin who massacred him in 4 rds, flooring him 7 times before koing him,and at one stage knocking him clear out of the ring.
This was only 3 months before Finnegan challenged Jeffries. Finnegan had 4 wins 2 draws and 4 losses when he fought Jeffries ,2 of his wins were dsq's, and 2 were over middleweights.
Given this verified information let's hear no more about how McVey was not a more suitable opponent for Jeffries in late1903 1904!

You are a damn fool.

Mcvey was not a contender for Jeffries who fought Finnegan in 1900. He was a young boy. Under 17! And he lost three matches in a row after the article you posted for Mcvey in 1903 which was far less than Jeffries made vs. Corbett in 1903.

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[QueensburyRules]

McVey had a record of 27 fights when Jeffries hung up his gloves. Jeffries himself had fought just 21 times.
"McVea had fought twice before coming to Oxnard, once in Salinas and once in Australia; he had a reported record of 6-0-2 prior to this fight."
He was 21 years old when Jeffries retired, and 205/210lbs

- - And you hire chefs to FrenchFry your snails, and your point is?

[Ivich]

You are a damn fool.

Mcvey was not a contender for Jeffries who fought Finnegan in 1900. He was a young boy. Under 17! And he lost three matches in a row after the article you posted for Mcvey in 1903 which was far less than Jeffries made vs. Corbett in 1903.

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Listen you illiterate slob, nowhere in my posts have I suggested that McVey fight Jeffries in1900.
What I have done is provide a link that proves Jeffries was offered a guaranteed $20,000 to defend against McVey in1903! That he then ignored it and defended against Munroe for under $8000 in 1904! Got it now, you MORON!
NB Jeffries earned $1,200 for fighting Finnegan!