Did Sugar Ray Robinson avoid the black murder's row?

[Ivich]

Good you know something about Murderers row. Let keep this thread clean.

In addition to Moore, Robinson did not fight any of them. But he did fight Turpin and lost, had to come back to win in the other match . Why does it feel on paper that Robinson was gun shy of fighting the USA black talent?

Enough of there wasn't enough of a draw nonsense. Moore vs. Robinson would have fulled the house with spectators. I wish I could see it. How much was Ray making 1n 1941 per fight?

I said Burley wasnt a draw why do you bring Moore into that argument? Their proposed fight was in1955 ..
In 1941 Robinson was coming into the ring weighing between135 and 141lbs,trying to get Freddie Cochrane into the ring.
Booker,Moore,Wade and Chase were full fledged middleweights then,and Lytell did not turn pro until July1944

You need to do some research before asking anymore silly questions

[Dr. Z]

I said Burley wasnt a draw why do you bring Moore into that argument? Their proposed fight was in1955 ..
In 1941 Robinson was coming into the ring weighing between135 and 141lbs,trying to get Freddie Cochrane into the ring.
Booker,Moore,Wade and Chase were full fledged middleweights then,and Lytell did not turn pro until July1944

You need to do some research before asking anymore silly questions

In addition to Moore, Robinson did not fight any of them. But he did fight Turpin and lost, had to come back to win in the other match . Why does it feel on paper that Robinson was gun shy of fighting the USA black talent? Dr. Z

Well, when did Sugar Ray complain about fighting a middle weight? How about never.

[Ivich]

Well, when did Sugar Ray complain about fighting a middle weight? How about never.

He fought them when he was 147lbs,you want him to fight them when he was135? LOL
You're not making any sense with this silly thread,but then you never do.
Your Monzon ducked Hagler thread got shot down in flames,Your Lennox Lewis ducked southpaws likeJoe Hipp met the same fate,just continue showing your total ignorance of boxing chronology, at least its entertaining.
Let's face it ,you couldn't even get the title of your thread right! LOL

[Dr. Z]

He fought them when he was 147lbs,you want him to fight them when he was135? LOL
You're not making any sense with this silly thread,but then you never do.
Your Monzon ducked Hagler thread got shot down in flames,Your Lennox Lewis ducked southpaws likeJoe Hipp met the same fate,just continue showing your total ignorance of boxing chronology, at least its entertaining.
Let's face it ,you couldn't even get the title of your thread right! LOL

What are you talking about? You waste my time. Sugar Ray did not fight the black murders row or Archie Moore. This thread has nothing to do with Hagler or Monzon. Keep my threads clean or I will report your garbage to the Mods.

I urge the readers to view this thread.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/boxing-arti...never-happened

[Ivich]

What are you talking about? You waste my time. Sugar Ray did not fight the black murders row or Archie Moore. This thread has nothing to do with Hagler or Monzon. Keep my threads clean or I will report your garbage to the Mods.

I urge the readers to view this thread.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/boxing-arti...never-happened

He fought and knocked out Aaron Tiger Wade in 3 rds.I showed you that chronologically there was only a small window when 3 of them were ranked when Robinson was.

• Of The MURDERERS Row.Using the Rings end of year ratings , the only ones ranked when Robinson was were;
  
  Welter
  1941
  Robinson no1
  Burley no5
  Williams no 6
  Cocoa Kid no 7
  That year Robinson fought and beat the number 2 contender Zivic
  
  
  1942
  Robinson no1
  
  Cocoa Kid no 4
  Cocoa Kid began campaigning as a middleweight in1942 As did Burley.
  
  That year Robinson fought and beat the number 2 contender Angott ,and the number 3 contender Zivic
  
  Middle ;
  1952 Artie Towne no 5
  
  That year Robinson fought and beat Olson no 3, Graziano no 10.
  
  1955 Artie Towne no 10.
  That year Robinson fought and lost to Jones,and fought and beat Castellani no 5 ,and Olson no1.
  
  .
• Now you want a man 21years old,a man who could still make light weight, who was weighing between 134lbs and 141lbs to take on top ten ranked Middleweights?
• Just how ****** are you?
• You attack Robinson of all people,an ex lightweight , for not fighting the Light Heavyweight Champ Moore,
• Do you feel the same way about Marvin Hagler, a natural middleweight not fighting,Saad Muhammad,Dwight Braxton, or Michael Spinks?
• Can you not see how ridiculously spurious your argument is?

A question that would have made logical sense would have been;

Why didn't Tony Zale fight them?
When he was either champion or a top ten ranked challenger the following fighters were all ranked.
Burley
Charles
Moore
Chase
Booker
Lytell
Cocoa Kid
Tunero
Basora
Edgar
Williams
Wade
He fought none of them.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Seen dumberer threads than this, but this in the top 20.

[Dr. Z]

He fought and knocked out Aaron Tiger Wade in 3 rds.I showed you that chronologically there was only a small window when 3 of them were ranked when Robinson was.

• Of The MURDERERS Row.Using the Rings end of year ratings , the only ones ranked when Robinson was were;
  
  Welter
  1941
  Robinson no1
  Burley no5
  Williams no 6
  Cocoa Kid no 7
  That year Robinson fought and beat the number 2 contender Zivic
  
  
  1942
  Robinson no1
  
  Cocoa Kid no 4
  Cocoa Kid began campaigning as a middleweight in1942 As did Burley.
  
  That year Robinson fought and beat the number 2 contender Angott ,and the number 3 contender Zivic
  
  Middle ;
  1952 Artie Towne no 5
  
  That year Robinson fought and beat Olson no 3, Graziano no 10.
  
  1955 Artie Towne no 10.
  That year Robinson fought and lost to Jones,and fought and beat Castellani no 5 ,and Olson no1.
  
  .
• Now you want a man 21years old,a man who could still make light weight, who was weighing between 134lbs and 141lbs to take on top ten ranked Middleweights?
• Just how ****** are you?
• You attack Robinson of all people,an ex lightweight , for not fighting the Light Heavyweight Champ Moore,
• Do you feel the same way about Marvin Hagler, a natural middleweight not fighting,Saad Muhammad,Dwight Braxton, or Michael Spinks?
• Can you not see how ridiculously spurious your argument is?

A question that would have made logical sense would have been;

Why didn't Tony Zale fight them?
When he was either champion or a top ten ranked challenger the following fighters were all ranked.
Burley
Charles
Moore
Chase
Booker
Lytell
Cocoa Kid
Tunero
Basora
Edgar
Williams
Wade
He fought none of them.

You are an idiot! My point is Sugar Ray never refused a fight with a middle weight which Moore was when they talked about it! You know the year where he was rated as Welter. He did not try to fight Moore as a Middle Weight. Nor did he try a fight when his money making days were over. Did you read the link I posted? Now Shut up. I'm not talking about a lightweight SRR here. SRR Robinson, the light weight was not talking to Moore as a Light heavyweight! You dope. In 1941 he weight in at 158 and 161 pounds!!! And did not win a fight that year. See how you carelessly mix in Moore weight in 1941? See how you lack facts?

You attack Robinson of all people,an ex lightweight , for not fighting the Light Heavyweight Champ Moore. Ivich the idiot.

Where a heck does Tony Zale come into this thread?

[Willie Pep 229]

He fought and knocked out Aaron Tiger Wade in 3 rds.I showed you that chronologically there was only a small window when 3 of them were ranked when Robinson was.

• Of The MURDERERS Row.Using the Rings end of year ratings , the only ones ranked when Robinson was were;
  
  Welter
  1941
  Robinson no1
  Burley no5
  Williams no 6
  Cocoa Kid no 7
  That year Robinson fought and beat the number 2 contender Zivic
  
  
  1942
  Robinson no1
  
  Cocoa Kid no 4
  Cocoa Kid began campaigning as a middleweight in1942 As did Burley.
  
  That year Robinson fought and beat the number 2 contender Angott ,and the number 3 contender Zivic
  
  Middle ;
  1952 Artie Towne no 5
  
  That year Robinson fought and beat Olson no 3, Graziano no 10.
  
  1955 Artie Towne no 10.
  That year Robinson fought and lost to Jones,and fought and beat Castellani no 5 ,and Olson no1.
  
  .
• Now you want a man 21years old,a man who could still make light weight, who was weighing between 134lbs and 141lbs to take on top ten ranked Middleweights?
• Just how ****** are you?
• You attack Robinson of all people,an ex lightweight , for not fighting the Light Heavyweight Champ Moore,
• Do you feel the same way about Marvin Hagler, a natural middleweight not fighting,Saad Muhammad,Dwight Braxton, or Michael Spinks?
• Can you not see how ridiculously spurious your argument is?

A question that would have made logical sense would have been;

Why didn't Tony Zale fight them?
When he was either champion or a top ten ranked challenger the following fighters were all ranked.
Burley
Charles
Moore
Chase
Booker
Lytell
Cocoa Kid
Tunero
Basora
Edgar
Williams
Wade
He fought none of them.

Agree with all ecept your Zale remarks. Probably all true facts you listed but I know, you know, there were many nuances as to why Zale didn't fight them. Not merely a duck.

Just for starters Zale was a mid-west based fighter and wasn't really in the title mix until he finally won the (western based) NBA title out west.

Then get got NYSAC recognition with his next fight, and the full title.

But then the war came and he had to serve. No Joe Louis opportunity for him.

Also, when the war was over, I believe we agree, that Garziano (and nor Holman Williams) was the smart first defense to grab. It was the big money fight.

Anyway, just my two cents but good post regarding SRR.

[Ivich]

Agree with all ecept your Zale remarks. Probably all true facts you listed but I know, you know, there were many nuances as to why Zale didn't fight them. Not merely a duck.

Just for starters Zale was a mid-west based fighter and wasn't really in the title mix until he finally won the (western based) NBA title out west.

Then get got NYSAC recognition with his next fight, and the full title.

But then the war came and he had to serve. No Joe Louis opportunity for him.

Also, when the war was over, I believe we agree, that Garziano (and nor Holman Williams) was the smart first defense to grab. It was the big money fight.

Anyway, just my two cents but good post regarding SRR.

I cut Zale slack for opting for his pension plan when he came out of the service and taking on Graziano for a big gate,but he could have fought many of those guys before he went to war.

[Ivich]

You are an idiot! My point is Sugar Ray never refused a fight with a middle weight which Moore was when they talked about it! You know the year where he was rated as Welter. He did not try to fight Moore as a Middle Weight. Nor did he try a fight when his money making days were over. Did you read the link I posted? Now Shut up. I'm not talking about a lightweight SRR here. SRR Robinson, the light weight was not talking to Moore as a Light heavyweight! You dope. In 1941 he weight in at 158 and 161 pounds!!! And did not win a fight that year. See how you carelessly mix in Moore weight in 1941? See how you lack facts?







Where a heck does Tony Zale come into this thread?

No,no and no ! They talked about it in1959 when Moore was the Lightheavyweight champion didnt you read your own link?

" Just look at Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Archie Moore.

No, these two all-time greats never squared off in the ring, but in 1959 they came very close to doing so. Both Sugar Ray and the “Old Mongoose” met to discuss what could have been a career-defining fight


Robinson never fought any middleweights when he was between 134 and 141lbs which he was in1941.Moore was the number 4 ranked middleweight that year why would the 21 years old Robinson fight him?

NB Moore had just 3 fights in1941 I know why but I bet you don't!
Oh, and he won 1 by ko over Clay Rowan ,fought a draw with Eddie Booker and lost the other to Shorty Hogue, can't you get anything right?
The highest Robinson weighed in1942 was145lbs and for most of his fights that year he was around143 144lbs.
Robinson did not fight a middleweight until 1942 ,when he gave Lamotta 13 pounds and beat him.

In 1943 Moore was the number 1 contender for Zale's middleweight title and was coming into the ring scaling from157 to 165lbs

Who would pay to see a young Robinson give up to 20lbs to the number 1 middleweight contender? Zale comes into it because he never fought any of the Murderers Row I listed although he was either a ranked middleweight or the champion when they were ranked!
I REPEAT ROBINSON DID NOT FIGHT A MIDDLEWEIGHT UNTIL 1942!
Do you see anyone agreeing with you on all these silly threads you are making?
You just keep mugging yourself,it saves me doing it to you! lol