Who Is The Most Tragic Heavyweight Boxer In History

[billeau2]

Just watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOCWWwPTD0
Tommy Morrison.
Can you argue who you think is the saddest most tragic heavyweight in history.
Who got ripped off, who had the greatest fall from grace
More importantly who deserved to fall and who was the most unfortunate heavyweight.

I have a drone flying over texas and whoever argues best will get the chance to vaporise queeny when he is feeding his tigers in the morning!!!

Who deserves our sympathy and who does not?

Vaporizing the Queen B as attractive as it sounds... It is difficult for me to quantify suffering. There are things that matter... but are hard to quantify. For example, Corrie Sanders: In my eyes he died a good death, protecting those he loved. As a warrior I can't think of a better death to ask for. What if we had Sanders surviving and his daughter killed? Would that be less tragic? I think not.

What we do know is some fighters do well. Lamotta and Galento, two guys who kept their marbles and became decent, well humored, later in life. Or Wills and Holmes, guys who hung on to it and had financial success, were able to enjoy the financial fruits and alas... kept their marbles.

Some other fighters had more complex situations, some had varying degrees of joy derived from their fighting days. I think Tunney became a bit long in the tooth in his later days, compliments of wine and song.

Those fighters who had it rough probably all felt like they had the worse situation imaginable... Which is human nature, when we do not examine our lives. So quantifying this misery from a subjective stand point is not possible. To have soared with the Eagles is always special, even when we pay for it later.

I like Rockin's Post here on the thread about theb joy boxing gave him. For me, I also remember the joys of training hard to maintain a fighting club in the martial arts... And every time I feel my warped ankle, my arthritic hands, at least part of me smiles at remembering HOW I got those injuries in the first place.

[max baer]

Vaporizing the Queen B as attractive as it sounds... It is difficult for me to quantify suffering. There are things that matter... but are hard to quantify. For example, Corrie Sanders: In my eyes he died a good death, protecting those he loved. As a warrior I can't think of a better death to ask for. What if we had Sanders surviving and his daughter killed? Would that be less tragic? I think not.

What we do know is some fighters do well. Lamotta and Galento, two guys who kept their marbles and became decent, well humored, later in life. Or Wills and Holmes, guys who hung on to it and had financial success, were able to enjoy the financial fruits and alas... kept their marbles.

Some other fighters had more complex situations, some had varying degrees of joy derived from their fighting days. I think Tunney became a bit long in the tooth in his later days, compliments of wine and song.

Those fighters who had it rough probably all felt like they had the worse situation imaginable... Which is human nature, when we do not examine our lives. So quantifying this misery from a subjective stand point is not possible. To have soared with the Eagles is always special, even when we pay for it later.

I like Rockin's Post here on the thread about theb joy boxing gave him. For me, I also remember the joys of training hard to maintain a fighting club in the martial arts... And every time I feel my warped ankle, my arthritic hands, at least part of me smiles at remembering HOW I got those injuries in the first place.

I admire you guys who used to box and now discuss all aspects of the sport. I suppose what people like about the sport is that it requires so much dedication and the fact that boxers give their whole life's in getting the wins plus it requires personality as you need to be a star on top of the skills and dedication. Mike Tyson said that for a lot of guys they need to sacrifice happiness for career success.
You see up to this day how the men who have fought for the heavyweight title are often men with incredible personality's.
If in say football or basketball a man can play badly all season and yet if he starts to play good again next season all is forgiven and he gets big money again. But if a boxer loses two fights he is considered crap by many just look at Joshua.
What seems to happen is that if a boxer loses his big fights he can feel like a loser in every aspect of his life. That way that boxers sell the whole package of skill, personality, and star power to get us guys paying for tickets and ppv . I always feel very sad if i hear a sporting hero goes through personal hell because he feels he failed in his pro career. I am thinking now of frank bruno. The poor bloke put so much of his life into boxing and he was so obsessed with it that he felt a loser and it caused him to turn on his family and friends and i was his biggest fan and felt so bad when he and his bi polar got him in a very bad way.
This is because big frank felt nothing mattered outside of boxing and his whole life was due to his boxing success and failures. I am so glad that he is still alive and able to help others with mental health issues.
I think that a lot of armchair fans of a sport can be cruel about successes and failures but those of us that have performed in our sport as young men to a greater or lesser extent we respect any achievement from local to world as we know well just how much dedication and hard work and a sprinkling of luck to get anywhere in boxing.

[billeau2]

I admire you guys who used to box and now discuss all aspects of the sport. I suppose what people like about the sport is that it requires so much dedication and the fact that boxers give their whole life's in getting the wins plus it requires personality as you need to be a star on top of the skills and dedication. Mike Tyson said that for a lot of guys they need to sacrifice happiness for career success.
You see up to this day how the men who have fought for the heavyweight title are often men with incredible personality's.
If in say football or basketball a man can play badly all season and yet if he starts to play good again next season all is forgiven and he gets big money again. But if a boxer loses two fights he is considered crap by many just look at Joshua.
What seems to happen is that if a boxer loses his big fights he can feel like a loser in every aspect of his life. That way that boxers sell the whole package of skill, personality, and star power to get us guys paying for tickets and ppv . I always feel very sad if i hear a sporting hero goes through personal hell because he feels he failed in his pro career. I am thinking now of frank bruno. The poor bloke put so much of his life into boxing and he was so obsessed with it that he felt a loser and it caused him to turn on his family and friends and i was his biggest fan and felt so bad when he and his bi polar got him in a very bad way.
This is because big frank felt nothing mattered outside of boxing and his whole life was due to his boxing success and failures. I am so glad that he is still alive and able to help others with mental health issues.
I think that a lot of armchair fans of a sport can be cruel about successes and failures but those of us that have performed in our sport as young men to a greater or lesser extent we respect any achievement from local to world as we know well just how much dedication and hard work and a sprinkling of luck to get anywhere in boxing.

I admire the boxers and others in the game as well. Myself, I was/am a martial artist. I never boxed, AND was a horrid tournament fighter . Just got disqualified all the time. I was however part of a fighting club where we fought full contact and really went hard. By the grace and efforts of a Black karate club in Baltimore with a reputation as the premier fighting club at the time, under Riley Hawkins, my Sensei Willie Ben and the great fighters in our club, I was brought along and taught how to be a killing machine. These guys were often gangsters in the streets, but once part of the group, I was family... I could have and often did, trust my life with my fellow Sempie (older students). Only through their patience and good nature did I excel. By the time I parted ways I had a reputation and all the skills I needed. I always honor my first karate club... I was there for 12 years or so, and earned a REAL Nidan (2nd degree BB). No rank inflation back then! Not like today.

But this experience and subsequent teaching, other arts studied, and my own system I presently teach... I developed a lot of empathy for fighters like Rockem and some of the other voices here like Ray Corso, etc. I have worked with a lot of boxers and MMA guys when I do seminars also lol.

[kara]

I’d say the same for Holyfield. Bowe and Holyfield are actually good friends. HBO The Fight Game did a story on them. They both broke and hang out at some bar in Florida.

At least Holyfield is in decent physical shape and stays somewhat active for his age.

I think Holyfield has made some decent paydays in recent years. I made millions for that Triller fight with Belfort.

[QueensburyRules]

I think Holyfield has made some decent paydays in recent years. I(t) made millions for that Triller fight with Belfort.

- - Embarrassing yet again. I understand Triller also been slow to pay or pay less than contracted.

Luck McCarty 21 years old making $$$ hand over fist with young wife and family in the queue to fight Jack Johnson when he dropped dead the first round in Calgory, Canada after taking zero punishment.

Tommy Burns' new arena burnt to the ground the next AM in what is probable arson. Arthur Pelkey became the new white hope, but charged with murder before being cleared, yet tragically couldn't fight a lick after this fight, getting beat up and KOed endlessly before retiring to Ontario as a police officer and city councilman before dying in the strange sleeping sickness pandemic sweeping the country.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Embarrassing yet again. I understand Triller also been slow to pay or pay less than contracted.

Luck McCarty 21 years old making $$$ hand over fist with young wife and family in the queue to fight Jack Johnson when he dropped dead the first round in Calgory, Canada after taking zero punishment.

Tommy Burns' new arena burnt to the ground the next AM in what is probable arson. Arthur Pelkey became the new white hope, but charged with murder before being cleared, yet tragically couldn't fight a lick after this fight, getting beat up and KOed endlessly before retiring to Ontario as a police officer and city councilman before dying in the strange sleeping sickness pandemic sweeping the country.

You made me go look. Thank you.

Sleeping sickness doesn't seem strange except that it hit (unrelatedly) at the time of the Influenza Pandemic. Some sources suggest that some percentage of deaths attributed to the influenza were actually lethargic encephalitis victims.

An African disease spread by the tsetse. There is some evidence that the parasite (not a virus) was spread by westerners to Europe and NA after prolonged visits to Africa. Several historical outbreaks are recorded and the problem still exists in Africa. Claiming 25K people a year.

[mrbig1]

Meldrick Taylor comes to mind. Carlos Monzon was just a waste of space on this earth. He was truly a great champion but was pure satan.

[GhostofDempsey]

Liston coming from poverty and unable to get out of his own way with the law and mob. America in the 60’s wasn’t willing to embrace a champion with a police record and an undeserved reputation as a thug and a bully. Larry Merchant and other sports writers of the era treated him horribly. He became the “champion nobody wanted”. Always felt his fights with Ali were fixed and he died under very su****ious circumstances. In real life he was a humble and complicated man who just wanted to be accepted.

[max baer]

Liston coming from poverty and unable to get out of his own way with the law and mob. America in the 60’s wasn’t willing to embrace a champion with a police record and an undeserved reputation as a thug and a bully. Larry Merchant and other sports writers of the era treated him horribly. He became the “champion nobody wanted”. Always felt his fights with Ali were fixed and he died under very su****ious circumstances. In real life he was a humble and complicated man who just wanted to be accepted.

Yeah I agree completely i feel terribly sorry for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFZ0nGjT2g

[max baer]

Frank Bruno has had such dark times.
in his boxing days he was really really hurt at being called an uncle tom that insult really upset him.
I must have been his biggest fan.
He recently said he lives alone and uses fitness to keep sane and it is so sad he has to tackle life all alone. For me I like to be alone but need someone around me rather than being completely alone because there is no one who cares. I need love and care and need to give love and care. I found a girl who really helps me. we work towards our shared dreams rather than have people s**t on our dreams. her family want us to achieve our dreams helping us and supporting us. i will never again fight against people who s**t on my dreams but love a woman who fights for our dreams together,
in london a lot of people are just aggro. all day every day just bickering and aggro. they even follow you to your new home trying to stir up aggro there too. Constantly aggro because it is the least intelligent way to live. just creating aggro out of nothing. me and my girl do such amazing things while they just bicker and make threats all day every day. that's why i escaped from london. seriously all they do is bicker and make threats. start fights and argue. the constant race to the bottom. i dreamed of better things like travel and nice home and to get away from constant threats and stalking and abuse. yet they still stalk me and try to start fights and abuse me. i am so glad i escaped from london but i am still being stalked every day. i think that certain class of people just never have a lighter side all they do all day every day is argue and make threats. you pass them and say good morning and they look at you like desperately trying to start a fight. just desperate for any chance of aggro. i am like "take your aggro away from me, it aint my fault you are thick as **** just let me get on with my life and stop trying to start fights.
I am so glad i escaped that ****ty life and now have such a happy life with my girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TC38KlmnSo

my girls mom is also a mother to me she wants to help us as opposed to trying to ruin things she wants us to realise our dreams and be happy so i have two mothers to see i am okay. i am so happy to be in love and having a great life with my sweetheart. we can do anything and everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opuyvsKII7E our song!
everything except bungee jumping i aint doing it no. no way. just no no way am i doing that. this guy did it and there was an error and all that was left of him was his feet and his shins on the rope.
Bruno can be seen as tragic but I'd love to see him happy as I would give anything to see him laugh and feel happy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVLKv8JBT8 this doc is about his daughters and how much they care for him. He is an incredibly kind man with warmth inside and when I saw him on this show i was so happy i kept watching it over and over just to see him happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWnvL4eYTbs