Who Is The Most Tragic Heavyweight Boxer In History

[Tatabanya]

Brad Rone belongs in this thread for sure. Full history here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9461871.html

[max baer]

I’d say the same for Holyfield. Bowe and Holyfield are actually good friends. HBO The Fight Game did a story on them. They both broke and hang out at some bar in Florida.

At least Holyfield is in decent physical shape and stays somewhat active for his age.

is this the hbo program https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytvLFGFjwzI

[Tatabanya]

I essentially died when I left the sport, some 30 years ago or so.

Can I ask you if you were forced to leave it?

In any case I sympathize, although for different reasons... I essentially died myself - more or less at the same time - when I gave my freedom away.

[Rockin']

Can I ask you if you were forced to leave it?

In any case I sympathize, although for different reasons... I essentially died myself - more or less at the same time - when I gave my freedom away.

I left because of beatch and her lying , manipulative ways.

Jackie was not that beatch, she was and always will be awsome to me.

It was a girl that I thought I was going to marry.

I lost boxing but stayed out of getting married.

An even trade? ................Rockin'

[Tatabanya]

I lost boxing but stayed out of getting married.

An even trade? ................Rockin'

Having lost boxing is tough... but nothing beats not having someone around when you need solitude and silence.

So, it's almost an even trade....

[Rockin']

Having lost boxing is tough... but nothing beats not having someone around when you need solitude and silence.

So, it's almost an even trade....

Almost.......

In general, I prefer solitude and silence.

As a fighter you live in solitude, for the most part.

You walk that road alone.

Running in the mornings, answering those bells for sparring/fighting. All by yourself in that ring fighting your ass off. Sure you have your manager and corner man, but they do not answer the bells, you do...............Rockin'

[Willow The Wisp]

Either Luther McCarty or Big Ed Sanders could have become truly great Heavyweight Champions of the world. Both were tall, athletic and born for the sport.
Both showed rare natural talents the kind of which cannot be taught, but only refined.
Both became stars at a young age, and both were tragically denied the opportunity to become what they were born to be.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_McCarty

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sanders_(boxer)

[Ivich]

Just watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOCWWwPTD0
Tommy Morrison.
Can you argue who you think is the saddest most tragic heavyweight in history.
Who got ripped of, who had the greatest fall from grace
More importantly who deserved to fall and who was the most unfortunate heavyweight.

I have a drone flying over texas and whoever argues best will get the chance to vaporise queeny when he is feeding his tigers in the morning!!!

Who deserves our sympathy and who does not?

Peter Jackson.denied title shots against Sullivan and Corbett because of his colour and the fact that he was too good. He turned to drink and became an alcoholic.
He developed TB which many attributed to him sustaining a rib injury against Frank Slavin.
Retired for 5 1/2years at 36 years old he was shamefully brought out as cannon fodder for the up and coming Jim Jeffries with a predictable result 4 years later he was dead.
Billy Miske afflicted with Brights Disease he battled through it out of financial necessity , a brave and gallant fighter.
Bill Brennan like Miske an opponent of Dempsey's he gave Jack 2 great fights,sadly he was murdered by cowardly thugs a few days short of his 33 rd birthday.

Early death by gang shooting in 1924[edit]


On June 15, 1924, Brennan was shot to death by two "street thugs" in New York City. After Brennan opened a bar, Club Tia Juana, on 171st Street in the Washington Heights section of Manhattan, some rough looking men informed him that he was buying the wrong mob's beer. Brennan threw them out of his bar. He was later summoned outside by another man with whom he was unfamiliar and a gunman standing nearby pulled his gun, and shot him twice. James Cullen, a state trooper who had been chatting with Brennan earlier inside the club, was near Brennan at the time of the shooting and was shot as well. Both assailants were found to have police records, and one had connections to a gang. Three other men were present near the gunman, and suspected of being involved in the incident and also having connections to the "Hell's Kitchen" gang which had targeted Brennan. A few years prior to the shooting, Brennan had purchased the club with the winnings from his second Dempsey fight.

[billeau2]

Craig Payne - He boxed out of the same amateur gym as I did, he was big a couple of years or so before I started up, but he did great in the amateurs. He lost to Tyrell Biggs in the finals of the Olympic Trials of '84. If he had won that bout he would have been Olympic bound.

I used to always hear stories about him driving down the freeway, in to Detroit, for our bouts. He defeated Teofilo Stevenson, the legendary amatuer out of Cuba, at the North American Championships. He even beat a young Mike Tyson. The guy had it goin' on in a big way.

I met him when he was coming back as a pro. He was just huge compared to the pictures that I had seen of him, crazy fat. But man could he box. His face was always covered in heavy beads of sweat in the gym.

I saw him at a bar a long time ago, we had a couple of drinks together, but I never asked him wtf happened. He had all the talent in the world, always a nice guy doe.

.......................Rockin'

Wow! Teofilo Stevenson! Big bounty!

[billeau2]

Peter Jackson.denied title shots against Sullivan and Corbett because of his colour and the fact that he was too good he turned to drink and became an alcoholic.
He developed TB which many attributed to him sustaining a rib injury against Frank Slavin.
Retired for 5 1/2years at 36 years old he was shamefully brought out as cannon fodder for the up and coming Jim Jeffries with a predictable result 4 years later he was dead.

Billy Miske afflicted with Brights Disease he battled through it out of financial necessity , a brave and gallant fighter.


Bill Brennan like Miske an opponent of Dempsey's he gave Jack 2 great fights,sadly he was murdered by cowardly thugs a few days short of his 33 rd birthday.

Early death by gang shooting in 1924[edit]


On June 15, 1924, Brennan was shot to death by two "street thugs" in New York City. After Brennan opened a bar, Club Tia Juana, on 171st Street in the Washington Heights section of Manhattan, some rough looking men informed him that he was buying the wrong mob's beer. Brennan threw them out of his bar. He was later summoned outside by another man with whom he was unfamiliar and a gunman standing nearby pulled his gun, and shot him twice. James Cullen, a state trooper who had been chatting with Brennan earlier inside the club, was near Brennan at the time of the shooting and was shot as well. Both assailants were found to have police records, and one had connections to a gang. Three other men were present near the gunman, and suspected of being involved in the incident and also having connections to the "Hell's Kitchen" gang which had targeted Brennan. A few years prior to the shooting, Brennan had purchased the club with the winnings from his second Dempsey fight."

Corrie Sanders.
Killed by three scumbags whilst protecting his Daughter.
On 22 September 2012, Sanders was fatally shot in an armed robbery at a restaurant called Thatch Haven in Brits, South Africa, where a function was being held for his nephew's 21st birthday. He had been near the entrance of the restaurant talking to his 15-year-old daughter Marinique and a cousin when three robbers entered firing their guns.^[14] Sanders had used his body to shield his daughter from oncoming bullets and then, while bleeding from bullet wounds in his right arm and stomach, pulled her to the ground and whispered for her to pretend to be dead.^[15][16][17] Sanders was taken to a hospital in Pretoria, where he died in the early hours of 23 September 2012 of his wounds

I remember the Sander's shooting... Very sad.