Southpaw Heavyweight Ranked Contenders? 1924-2023

[Dr. Z]

Again I ask. Which tricky orthodox boxers did he avoid?

You do have a problem reading my posts. I already did not fight any southpaws. Lewis avoided them, most notably Chirs Byrd, Corrie Sanders, and Mike Morrer who were world champions . Joe Hipp was a southpaw who fought for a world title.

He also avoided John Ruiz! And very mobile boxers like Larry Donald , and Juan Gomez ( who was a southpaw, and very mobile )

IMO, he had a stylistic problem matching up with south paws and mobile tricky boxers.

You could say they were no Southpaws for him to fight and be wrong. Even in Ali's day he had problems adapting to Karl Mildenberger. He did not look good vs Richard Dunnn either, but at least Ali fought southpaws. And he fought his share of mobile tricky orthodox fighters too.

A hole in Lewis' otherwise excellent resume. Admit it.

Now do you want to talk boxing objectively? Lewis was not the only famous heavyweight champion to avoid ranked southpaws or pass on fighting any southpaws at all.

[JAB5239]

- - Duh, the point you missed being the 90s was a transition era leading up to today where lefties hold a much higher % of titles than their % of the population.

They have dominated baseball stats for over 100 years because they were exalted by Baseball instead of being banned by boxing for 100 years.

I think you are forgetting that if more lefties were around than orthodox fighters would acclimate themselves better to them. It's a two way street, and baseball isn't boxing.

[Willie Pep 229]

You do have a problem reading my posts. I already did not fight any southpaws. Lewis avoided them, most notably Chirs Byrd, Corrie Sanders, and Mike Morrer who were world champions . Joe Hipp was a southpaw who fought for a world title.

He also avoided John Ruiz! And very mobile boxers like Larry Donald , and Juan Gomez ( who was a southpaw, and very mobile )

IMO, he had a stylistic problem matching up with south paws and mobile tricky boxers.

You could say they were no Southpaws for him to fight and be wrong. Even in Ali's day he had problems adapting to Karl Mildenberger. He did not look good vs Richard Dunnn either, but at least Ali fought southpaws. And he fought his share of mobile tricky orthodox fighters too.

A hole in Lewis' otherwise excellent resume. Admit it.

Now do you want to talk boxing objectively? Lewis was not the only famous heavyweight champion to avoid ranked southpaws or pass on fighting any southpaws at all.

Didn't look good against Dunn?

It was a GD sparing session for Ali. Fight should have never happened. Free TV and (I believe) a mere $600K payday for Ali says to was a stinker from the get go.

[Ivich]

You do have a problem reading my posts. I already did not fight any southpaws. Lewis avoided them, most notably Chirs Byrd, Corrie Sanders, and Mike Morrer who were world champions . Joe Hipp was a southpaw who fought for a world title.

He also avoided John Ruiz! And very mobile boxers like Larry Donald , and Juan Gomez ( who was a southpaw, and very mobile )

IMO, he had a stylistic problem matching up with south paws and mobile tricky boxers.

You could say they were no Southpaws for him to fight and be wrong. Even in Ali's day he had problems adapting to Karl Mildenberger. He did not look good vs Richard Dunnn either, but at least Ali fought southpaws. And he fought his share of mobile tricky orthodox fighters too.

A hole in Lewis' otherwise excellent resume. Admit it.

Now do you want to talk boxing objectively? Lewis was not the only famous heavyweight champion to avoid ranked southpaws or pass on fighting any southpaws at all.

This is your statement.

"IMO, he had a stylistic problem matching up with south paws and mobile tricky boxers."

Since you say he never fought any of the above,I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion?

Was it ESP? Osmosis?



BTW Ali dropped Dunn 5 times in the less than 5 rds the fight lasted and Dunn did not win a round
After the fight Ali told Promoter Mickey Duff to look inside his gloves.Inside was a piece of paper on it were the words,
" Ali 5th rd ko".This is verified in Duff's autobiography which I have.

Ali held him up until the audience had seen some rounds of action.

Here is a report of the Mildenberger fight.

• Mildenberger's left eye was badly cut in the sixth round and almost completely closed by the eighth round.
• Mildenberger was knocked down in rounds five, eight, and ten.
• Referee Teddy Waltham of Great Britain stopped the bout at 1:28 of the 12th round to protect Mildenberger from further punishment.
• The fight was scored by rounds. At the time of the stoppage, Referee Teddy Waltham had Ali ahead 7-2-2, and Judges Felix Ohlet and Nat Fleischer (editor of The Ring magazine) each had Ali leading 7-3-1. The Associated Press had Ali in front 9-1-1.
• Sure sounds like Ali was in trouble!

Sanders was not ranked until the end of 2003 Lewis had his last fight in the summer of that year
Ruiz was not ranked until the end of 2001 when he was no7
Ruiz was no 5 in 2002 & no7 in 2003.

In those two and a half years Lewis beat 5 men ranked above Ruiz?
Donald was never ranked in the entire span of Lewis' career.

Wille Pep Has a problem reading your posts?

Who doesnt?

Here is an extract from your reply to him.


"You do have a problem reading my posts. I already did not fight any southpaws."

• CONCLUSION = You're a bigoted fool!

[Dr. Z]

This is your statement.

"IMO, he had a stylistic problem matching up with south paws and mobile tricky boxers."

Since you say he never fought any of the above,I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion?

Was it ESP? Osmosis?



BTW Ali dropped Dunn 5 times in the less than 5 rds the fight lasted and Dunn did not win a round
After the fight Ali told Promoter Mickey Duff to look inside his gloves.Inside was a piece of paper on it were the words,
" Ali 5th rd ko".This is verified in Duff's autobiography which I have.

Ali held him up until the audience had seen some rounds of action.

Here is a report of the Mildenberger fight.

• Mildenberger's left eye was badly cut in the sixth round and almost completely closed by the eighth round.
• Mildenberger was knocked down in rounds five, eight, and ten.
• Referee Teddy Waltham of Great Britain stopped the bout at 1:28 of the 12th round to protect Mildenberger from further punishment.
• The fight was scored by rounds. At the time of the stoppage, Referee Teddy Waltham had Ali ahead 7-2-2, and Judges Felix Ohlet and Nat Fleischer (editor of The Ring magazine) each had Ali leading 7-3-1. The Associated Press had Ali in front 9-1-1.
• Sure sounds like Ali was in trouble!

Sanders was not ranked until the end of 2003 Lewis had his last fight in the summer of that year
Ruiz was not ranked until the end of 2001 when he was no7
Ruiz was no 5 in 2002 & no7 in 2003.

In those two and a half years Lewis beat 5 men ranked above Ruiz?
Donald was never ranked in the entire span of Lewis' career.

Wille Pep Has a problem reading your posts?

Who doesnt?

Here is an extract from your reply to him.


"You do have a problem reading my posts. I already did not fight any southpaws."

• CONCLUSION = You're a bigoted fool!

You bigoted free mason fool!

Yes, Ali had issues vs Karl Midenberger.

Muhammad Ali and Karl Mildenberger fought a boxing match on September 10, 1966. While Mildenberger's unorthodox southpaw style caused Ali some discomfort in the early rounds of the bout, Ali won the fight through a technical knockout after the referee stopped the bout in the 12th round.

And you conveniently forgot to quote this form box rec. Why?

• Questioned in 1973, Ali said that Mildenberger, not Joe Frazier, was his most difficult opponent to date.

I'd say he caused Ali some trouble. I don't write these quoted facts.


There were must have been a dozen southpaws for Lewis to fight while was active. Yet he fought not one of them in all 43 of his pro fights. Hmmm...

[Ivich]

You bigoted free mason fool!

Yes, Ali had issues vs Karl Midenberger.





And you conveniently forgot to quote this form box rec. Why?

I'd say he caused Ali some trouble. I don't write these quoted facts.


There were must have been a dozen southpaws for Lewis to fight while was active. Yet he fought not one of them in all 43 of his pro fights. Hmmm...

"Karl is getting a frightful beating".Max Schmeling ringside. If you floor a man 3 times,cut and close his eye, and he has to be rescued by the referee in the 12 rd.

And these are the score cards when he is rescued.

• The fight was scored by rounds. At the time of the stoppage, Referee Teddy Waltham had Ali ahead 7-2-2, and Judges Felix Ohlet and Nat Fleischer (editor of The Ring magazine) each had Ali leading 7-3-1. The Associated Press had Ali in front 9-1-1.

How much trouble has he caused you?

Only two southpaws were ranked whilst Lewis was an active fighter Moorer and Byrd.

Lewis beat the man who beat Moorer, Tua.

In1994 45 years old George Foreman ko'd Moorer in10rds.

In1997 Holyfield stopped Moorer, flooring him 5 times in a one sided rout.

In2002 Tua ko'd Moorer in1 round!

Why on earth would Lewis avoid Moorer?

It's about time you came up with all those slick boxers Lewis avoided. I've asked you 5 times for their names now.

[Dr. Z]

Didn't look good against Dunn?

It was a GD sparing session for Ali. Fight should have never happened. Free TV and (I believe) a mere $600K payday for Ali says to was a stinker from the get go.

He was fighing a British journeymen who was KO'd by six ofter men in shorter order. It was an embarrassment of a world title fight, you're right.

[Ivich]

He was fighing a British journeymen who was KO'd by six ofter men in shorter order. It was an embarrassment of a world title fight, you're right.

Dunn was the British and European Heavyweight Champion.Ali sandwiched him in for an easy defence in between defending against Young no2 and Norton no1.
If you want to discuss embarrassing heavyweight title fights,here's a few for you.
Jim Jeffries v Jack Munroe7-2-0
Jim Jeffries v John Finnegan 4-2-4.

Vitali Klitschko v Sosnowski UNRANKED
Vitali Klitschko v Briggs UNRANKED
Vitali Klitschko v Charr UNRANKED
Vladimir Klitschko v Chisora UNRANKED


Wladimir Klitschko v Wach UNRANKED
Wladimir Klitschko v Pianeta UNRANKED
Wladimir Klischko v LeaPai UNRANKED
Wladimir Klitschko v Thompson 2 UNRANKED



The recent sequence of defences Ali had made and would make was as follows.
1974
Foreman Ali wins back title.

1975
Wepner no 8
Lyle no 3
Bugner no5
Frazier no3

1976
Coopman UNRANKED
Young no 2
Dunn UNRANKED
Norton No1

And you think Ali defending against the British and European Champion in the midst of that field was an embarrassment?

The only embarrassment here is YOU!

[billeau2]

Dunn was the British and European Heavyweight Champion.Ali sandwiched him in for an easy defence in between defending against Young no2 and Norton no1.
If you want to discuss embarrassing heavyweight title fights,here's a few for you.
Jim Jeffries v Jack Munroe7-2-0
Jim Jeffries v John Finnegan 4-2-4.

Vitali Klitschko v Sosnowski UNRANKED
Vitali Klitschko v Briggs UNRANKED

The recent sequence of defences Ali had made and would make was as follows.
1974
Foreman Ali wins back title.

1975
Wepner no 8
Lyle no 3
Bugner no5
Frazier no3

1976
Coopman UNRANKED
Young no 2
Dunn UNRANKED
Norton No1

And you think Ali defending against the British and European Champion in the midst of that field was an embarrassment?

The only embarrassment here is YOU!

[Dr. Z]

Ivich,

You can't even post the quotes of the articles in full. You purposely leave out information such as:

Yes, Ali had issues vs Karl Midenberger.

Muhammad Ali and Karl Mildenberger fought a boxing match on September 10, 1966. While Mildenberger's unorthodox southpaw style caused Ali some discomfort in the early rounds of the bout, Ali won the fight through a technical knockout after the referee stopped the bout in the 12th round.

And you conveniently forgot to quote this form box rec. Why?

• Questioned in 1973, Ali said that Mildenberger, not Joe Frazier, was his most difficult opponent to date.

We can all read them

And we are talking about Lewis here. I pay no attention the name of others. You feel the need to interject them as if that diminished the point. It does not. You fell the need to repost old easy to get facts as if it makes you look smart. It does not. Then again a liar like yourself says he has a 137 IQ.