Hemingway Evaluates Joe Louis in1935

[Ivich]

- - KOed Harry twice and was experiencing serious sight degradation by that time which is why he lost to Harry mostly.

Shame that you can see, but can never know...

Total rubbish,his sight problems began during his 1917 fight with Fulton when a right hand damaged his optic nerve . After that fight Langford not only did not ko Wills he never beat him! This all well documented and in Clay Moyle's wonderful book on Langford.
Why don't you ask your parents to buy if for your 10th birthday, and then of course read it to you?.

1917-06-19				Fred Fulton	28 5 0		Armory A.A., Boston	L-TKO	7/12		event bout score wiki
ref: Matt Hinkel Langford down in 2nd round from a Fulton left. Langford's eyes were closed tight at end of round 6 and was not able to answer for 7th round. Langford was cut badly and was hospitalized. Later saying that he thought Fulton would be the next Heavyweight Champion.

[Willie Pep 229]

Total rubbish,his sight problems began during his 1917 fight with Fulton when a right hand damaged his optic nerve . After that fight Langford not only did not ko Wills he never beat him! This all well documented and in Clay Moyle's wonderful book on Langford.
Why don't you ask your parents to buy if for you 10th birthday, and then of course read it to you?.

1917-06-19				Fred Fulton	28 5 0		Armory A.A., Boston	L-TKO	7/12		event bout score wiki
ref: Matt Hinkel Langford down in 2nd round from a Fulton left. Langford's eyes were closed tight at end of round 6 and was not able to answer for 7th round. Langford was cut badly and was hospitalized. Later saying that he thought Fulton would be the next Heavyweight Champion.

Not that the triangle argument actually holds water. But Fulton taking out Langford in such a brutal manner and then Dempsey destroying Fulton in 26 seconds, by 1919, pretty much took Langford out of the HW picture.

[Ivich]

Not that the triangle argument actually holds water. But Fulton taking out Langford in such a brutal manner and then Dempsey destroying Fulton in 26 seconds, by 1919, pretty much took Langford out of the HW picture.

Claims that prime Dempsey avoided Langford are BS. The kind of BS that bull ****ters like Bert Sugar used to repeat.

[Willie Pep 229]

Claims that prime Dempsey avoided Langford are BS. The kind of BS that bull ****ters like Bert Sugar used to repeat.

Not only that but Fitzsimmons, Kearns, and Dempsey gave Sam one last good payday when they put him on the Billy Miske under card (against Tate, Dempsey's sparing partner.)

Not only do I believe that Dempsey and Kearns loved 'Ole Sam and held him in high regard, they even set him up with Tate just so they could protect him.

Instead of lettng some young stud brutalize a 'past it' Langford, just to make a quick name for himself. They could depend on Tate not to do that. They were not going to let Sam get brutalized as he did against Fulton.

I think they respected him and admired him, and again, they protected him.

That Dempsey ducked him in 1920 is just one of those anti-Dempsey rants that are popular on this forum. It's actually a silly argument when you see what was left of Langford by 1920.

[Ivich]

Not only that but Fitzsimmons, Kearns, and Dempsey gave Sam one last good payday when they put him on the Billy Miske under card (against Tate, Dempsey's sparing partner.)

Not only do I believe that Dempsey and Kearns loved 'Ole Sam and held him in high regard, they even set him up with Tate just so they could protect him.

Instead of lettng some young stud brutalize a 'past it' Langford, just to make a quick name for himself. They could depend on Tate not to do that. They were not going to let Sam get brutalized as he did against Fulton.

I think they respected him and admired him, and again, they protected him.

That Dempsey ducked him in 1920 is just one of those anti-Dempsey rants that are popular on this forum. It's actually a silly argument when you see what was left of Langford by 1920.

Dempsey boxed an exhibition for Langford and twice financially contributed to his welfare .

[billeau2]

Claims that prime Dempsey avoided Langford are BS. The kind of BS that bull ****ters like Bert Sugar used to repeat.

Ahh yes, Sugar, a law degree and all, I think it was from George Mason? from a good family, everything a boxing pundit needs! I always enjoyed his schtict but it was purely performance art, one had to be willing to overlook that obvious fact.

[Dr. Z]

I guarantee whatever you KNOW about Johnson is not particular to what was known about other fighters... like Jack Dempsey who was accused of hitting his wife. Your singling Johnson out when you, nor anyone else, really understand the incidents involving Johnson anymore than we do involving other fighters. Sometimes there is information from a source that tells us something. Like when Monzon went off the rails, or with Gatti and his wife. Most of the information we get is not reliable and allows one to simply pick and choose things they want to use to bolster, or disparage a fighter.

BTW, Jack London, who hated Johnson, would have jumped at the chance to label him a wife beater, just curious, did he do so? He called Johnson everything else... thats for sure.

I know that Dempsey was accused, but Johnson DID beat on women, and beat his wife badly. These are facts. He also assaulted a sickly 120 pound man. I don't like Monzon out of the ring either.

London likely did not know of Johnson's dark side, and why would he? There was no intertnet research back then, or books written about the man doing bad things in his time like beating on women. Which other fighter did this? Can you name any more? I am sure there is more, and they are wife beating scum bags.

[them_apples]

Tunney has a chance to beat anyone because of his ring IQ and ability to adjust and change his style. Pretty good analysis, I’d still give Louis a shot to beat both of them though. He’s also factoring in Johnsons grappling and riding defensive style - which might be called illegal today or at least get him a lot of warnings.

[them_apples]

I know that Dempsey was accused, but Johnson DID beat on women, and beat his wife badly. These are facts. He also assaulted a sickly 120 pound man. I don't like Monzon out of the ring either.

London likely did not know of Johnson's dark side, and why would he? There was no intertnet research back then, or books written about the man doing bad things in his time like beating on women. Which other fighter did this? Can you name any more? I am sure there is more, and they are wife beating scum bags.

In addition what about all the things we don’t know. If thats what squeaked out imagine what didn’t.

[QueensburyRules]

Ahh yes, Sugar, a law degree and all, I think it was from George Mason? from a good family, everything a boxing pundit needs! I always enjoyed his schtict but it was purely performance art, one had to be willing to overlook that obvious fact.

- - Sugar in his last years at a boxing party when a young lady grabbed his hat, leaving his cigar without a hat for his act, his gleaming bald noggin an inferior substitute.

He blew up like a HydroBomb full of FBombs until peace was restored...only in boxing, folks...