Hemingway Evaluates Joe Louis in1935

[Slugfester]

Na you got it, Hemingway was known for the opposite of descriptive wtiting, writing in short sentences that left the reader's imagination to fill in the picture. Or so I was taught in college.

The definitive descriptive writer (in my opinion plus others) was Charles ****ens. Legend had it that his novels often first appeared as magazine excerpts were he was paid by the line (or word). So when Oliver (or whoever) walked into a room he would describe the room right down to the cracks in the floor and stretch the story out for another week.

Tolkein certainly fits the bill, but I suffer from impatience so Tolkien use to drive me crazy. Back in the early 70s it was Weed Head gold so I read the Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring. I quit halfway through the The Two Towers. Got so bored with it, I never saw any of the films. I don't know how it ends. Lol

****ens I love a lot, though he can be quite maudlin. Or maybe that is why I like him. I got into Tolkein and was never ashamed of it. A lot of literary snoots pinch their noses at JR. Not speaking of you. You gave it a good try and just didn't like it.

You would probably enjoy The Stranger by Camus. So tense, and in the Hemingway style.

[Bundana]

Are you implying that only someone who never saw Jack Johnson fight would call him the greatest and strongest fighter that ever lived ? If so that is insulting to JJ.

I'm not implying anything... I'm just wondering, if Hemingway ever saw Johnson fight. I don't know, what the answer is to this question - which is why I asked!

[Slugfester]

I'm not implying anything... I'm just wondering, if Hemingway ever saw Johnson fight. I don't know, what the answer is to this question - which is why I asked!

The timeline makes it a bit difficult for Hemingway to have watched Johnson, but not impossible, but nearly impossible in Jack's prime. When Johnson won the title Ernest was 9 years old. Johnson was 21 years older than Ernest. When Johnson lost the title Ernest was only 15.

Hemingway graduated high school in 1917 in Illinois and quickly went to work for the Kansas City star for a few months, before leaving for Europe and the war. He was back by the middle of 1918. Johnson would have been thirty-nine by that time, and nowhere close to his prime or looking like the strongest fighter who ever lived. More likely Ernest heard a lot of talk among the local men or read about Johnson's boxing prowess.

If he did see Johnson, it was almost surely when Jasck was shot.

[QueensburyRules]

You asked me for my picks in those fights,I gave them.I've humored a fool ,now go away and let the grown ups talk boxing.
For the record I have absolutely no interest in your opinions on these matches ,or on anything else.
I posted the thread because I thought it might interest some serious members of the forum.

- - You posted them because you're deficit in boxing knowledge and needed a manly Hemingway to bolster your slagging testosterone.

Ernie was a fan of boxing, not a student

[Ivich]

So you saying he told it like it is? I am neither complimentary about Johnson nor shy. I tell it like it was. Because I well researched, those who have a special rooting interest in Johnson view it as negative. The facts are they facts, and my opinions are based on observations.

Like when I say he ducked many men as champion, and was beaten before and drew to lesser talents men in their prime. That is correct. He beat the old a very in-exepenced heavyweights in wins. That is true too. He was beaten by several men under 200 pounds. At least three. And he drew with others under 200 pounds as well.

He is a wife beating " pimp " like man who wanted to be the only black heavyweight, ever after he retried. That is true as well. He also assaulted the sick and was in trouble all over the world. True again.

How would he do today? Probably in jail, or knocked many times out as his style was such where he did not throw many punches and his chin was such were when the other guy landed solidly he lost.

- Dr. Z.

Thank you for your cogent and well thought out analysis .We will be sure to call on you should we require an unbiased and objective opinion in the future.LOL
Since English is obviously not your natural language,may I suggest,that in future you employ someone more familiar with the terminology to get your
evenhanded points across?

[Ivich]

- - You posted them because you're deficit in boxing knowledge and needed a manly Hemingway to bolster your slagging testosterone.

Ernie was a fan of boxing, not a student

Aren't you the guy who said Langford ,while blind ko'd Wills?

NB .The word you wanted is deficient.As In your amount of brain cells!lol

[Ivich]

I would agree ,with the observation ,that Hemingway in this case at least, never claimed to have seen Johnson live.
I originally posted this as something of a curiosity.Nobody is obliged to agree with his opinion,or indeed to accept that he was an expert on the manly art.I just thought it might be of interest to the serious posters here. Unfortunately it seems to have been of more interest to the idiots that infest this forum.

[billeau2]

So you saying Jack London told it like it is? I am neither complimentary about Johnson nor shy. I tell it like it was. I am well researched. Those who have a special rooting interest in Johnson view it as negative. We know who they are. The facts are they facts, and my opinions are based on observations.

Like when I say he ducked many men as champion, and was beaten before and drew to lesser talents men in their prime. That is correct. I could list the names. He beat the old a very in-exepenced in his most notable heavyweights in wins. That is true too. He was beaten by several men under 200 pounds. At least three. And he drew with others under 200 pounds as well. He also quit twice in fight. All true.

He is a wife beating " pimp " like man who wanted to be the only black heavyweight, ever after he retried. That is true as well. He also assaulted the sick and was in trouble all over the world. True again.

How would he do today? Probably in jail, or knocked out many times out as his style was such where he did not throw many punches and his chin was such when the other guy landed solidly on it he lost. He would be a midget today at heavyweight.

- Dr. Z.

You are deluded about Johnson. He was not an angel and he may have done some bad things but that is a far stretch how you assasinate his character.

[Ivich]

You are deluded about Johnson. He was not an angel and he may have done some bad things but that is a far stretch how you assasinate his character.

He is obsessed with bad mouthing him,its why he was banned for life from ESB

[Dr. Z]

You are deluded about Johnson. He was not an angel and he may have done some bad things but that is a far stretch how you assasinate his character.

What did I write that is not true? He's not an angel? LOL, the man beat his wife to an inch of her life,

So you saying Jack London told it like it is? I am neither complimentary about Johnson nor shy. I tell it like it was. I am well researched. Those who have a special rooting interest in Johnson view it as negative. We know who they are. The facts are they facts, and my opinions are based on observations.

Like when I say he ducked many men as champion, and was beaten before and drew to lesser talents men in their prime. That is correct. I could list the names. He beat the old a very in-experinced in his most notable heavyweights in wins. That is true too. He was beaten by several men under 200 pounds. At least three. And he drew with others under 200 pounds as well. He also quit twice in fight. All true.

He is a wife beating " pimp " like man who wanted to be the only black heavyweight, ever after he retried. That is true as well. He also assaulted the sick and was in trouble all over the world. True again.

How would he do today? Probably in jail, or knocked out many times out as his style was such where he did not throw many punches and his chin was such when the other guy landed solidly on it he lost. He would be a midget today at heavyweight.

- Dr. Z.