Hemingway Evaluates Joe Louis in1935

[billeau2]

Hemingway by the way a wonderfully descrpitve writer. I doubt he saw Johnson fight.

Jack London did... and he was almost as complimentary about Johnson as you are!

[Willie Pep 229]

Which ring? The square circle or the Bullfighter's picadilo? Sorry could not resist.

Was he that too? Or is that legend as well?

[billeau2]

Was he that too? Or is that legend as well?

Im going with "legend" lol, but I do not know.

[Slugfester]

Hemingway by the way a wonderfully descrpitve writer. I doubt he saw Johnson fight.

Never thought of Hemingway as a descriptive author. I have always seen him as more of a dialog specialist. He had a unique style. Camus could write in Hemingway style perfectly whenever his material was suited to it. I think of Tolkein as the archetypal descriptive writer. He never missed a detail of the landscape. If I am wrong about what a descriptive writer is, I will have to apologize. That is the way I always apprehended the adjective descriptive.

[Willie Pep 229]

Never thought of Hemingway as a descriptive author. I have always seen him as more of a dialog specialist. He had a unique style. Camus could write in Hemingway style perfectly whenever his material was suited to it. I think of Tolkein as the archetypal descriptive writer. He never missed a detail of the landscape. If I am wrong about what a descriptive writer is, I will have to apologize. That is the way I always apprehended the adjective descriptive.

Na you got it, Hemingway was known for the opposite of descriptive wtiting, writing in short sentences that left the reader's imagination to fill in the picture. Or so I was taught in college.

The definitive descriptive writer (in my opinion plus others) was Charles ****ens. Legend had it that his novels often first appeared as magazine excerpts were he was paid by the line (or word). So when Oliver (or whoever) walked into a room he would describe the room right down to the cracks in the floor and stretch the story out for another week.

Tolkein certainly fits the bill, but I suffer from impatience so Tolkien use to drive me crazy. Back in the early 70s it was Weed Head gold so I read the Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring. I quit halfway through the The Two Towers. Got so bored with it, I never saw any of the films. I don't know how it ends. Lol

[Ivich]

Jack London did... and he was almost as complimentary about Johnson as you are!

Haters got to hate.I just wish they would do it on their own threads.

[Ivich]

Na you got it, Hemingway was known for the opposite of descriptive wtiting, writing in short sentences that left the reader's imagination to fill in the picture. Or so I was taught in college.

The definitive descriptive writer (in my opinion plus others) was Charles ****ens. Legend had it that his novels often first appeared as magazine excerpts were he was paid by the line (or word). So when Oliver (or whoever) walked into a room he would describe the room right down to the cracks in the floor and stretch the story out for another week.

Tolkein certainly fits the bill, but I suffer from impatience so Tolkien use to drive me crazy. Back in the early 70s it was Weed Head gold so I read the Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring. I quit halfway through the The Two Towers. Got so bored with it, I never saw any of the films. I don't know how it ends. Lol

Hemingway learned his craft on the Kansas City Star ,he perfected the use of terse, short sentences that omitted any unnecessary words.
DR Z, being illiterate ,would be unaware of this.
****ens books were indeed serialized.after completing The Old Curiosity Shop he sailed for the US when he docked there America was not up to date with the story and the crowd on the quay ,inquiring about "Little Nell", cried out to ****ens "is she dead?"
****ens home, where he lived and wrote his novels is about 2 miles from mine I pass it regularly ,it is now a girls school.
Joe Gargery's forge in Great Expectations is a mile from me,and is a private dwelling.
Camus was a great writer,never read Tolkien,though a former girl friend gave me The Hobbit.

/My favourite author over the last decade has been Cormac McCarthy who sadly died about a month ago.

[Ivich]

Was he that too? Or is that legend as well?

There is a photo of Hemingway in the bull ring with others, waving a cloth at a young bull,it was taken in Pamplona.

[ShoulderRoll]

Indeed it is... which makes me wonder, which of Johnson's fights (if any?) he actually saw!

Are you implying that only someone who never saw Jack Johnson fight would call him the greatest and strongest fighter that ever lived ? If so that is insulting to JJ.

[Dr. Z]

Jack London did... and he was almost as complimentary about Johnson as you are!

So you saying Jack London told it like it is? I am neither complimentary about Johnson nor shy. I tell it like it was. I am well researched. Those who have a special rooting interest in Johnson view it as negative. We know who they are. The facts are they facts, and my opinions are based on observations.

Like when I say he ducked many men as champion, and was beaten before and drew to lesser talents men in their prime. That is correct. I could list the names. He beat the old a very in-exepenced in his most notable heavyweights in wins. That is true too. He was beaten by several men under 200 pounds. At least three. And he drew with others under 200 pounds as well. He also quit twice in fight. All true.

He is a wife beating " pimp " like man who wanted to be the only black heavyweight, ever after he retried. That is true as well. He also assaulted the sick and was in trouble all over the world. True again.

How would he do today? Probably in jail, or knocked out many times out as his style was such where he did not throw many punches and his chin was such when the other guy landed solidly on it he lost. He would be a midget today at heavyweight.

- Dr. Z.