Who ranks higher on the pound for pound all time greats Toney or Holyfield ?

[ShoulderRoll]

- - TwoTon was chosen after Vander ducked WBA Roy's offer. Roy would've humiliated him. TwoTon beat him up and knocked him out for next to nothing.

Toney humiliated him even worse by knocking him out.

[mrbig1]

Holyfield hands down. For one reason. Toney sometimes was an outstanding fighter. Sometimes he was a fat lazy pig who didn't care. Holyfield was never that.

[JAB5239]

- - TwoTon was chosen after Vander ducked WBA Roy's offer. Roy would've humiliated him. TwoTon beat him up and knocked him out for next to nothing.

Was this after Jones turned down six million to fight Douglas? My recollection is Holy had obligations at the time Jones wanted it and Roy didn't want to wait around.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Field was unlicensed and only worth pauper purses by then.

He ignored Roy WBA title for more $$$$$ Vs Toney, ie six figures.

[JAB5239]

- - Field was unlicensed and only worth pauper purses by then.

He ignored Roy WBA title for more $$$$$ Vs Toney, ie six figures.

That's not a duck, it's smart business. Holy was already established as an ATG. Why did Jones cherrypick Ruiz instead of going after Lewis and the only real heavyweight champion of the world?

[kara]

That's not a duck, it's smart business. Holy was already established as an ATG. Why did Jones cherrypick Ruiz instead of going after Lewis and the only real heavyweight champion of the world?

Not only that, from what I remember Holyfield said Jones was treating him like the B-side star - Holy had to walk second, second named on posters, wanted bigger percentage of PPV, etc. Jones was never a PPV star, Holy was.

[QueensburyRules]

That's not a duck, it's smart business. Holy was already established as an ATG. Why did Jones cherrypick Ruiz instead of going after Lewis and the only real heavyweight champion of the world?

- - Roy picked up a lucrative title that put him in the driver's seat, but nobody could meet his price. Field was damaged goods and a good scalp, but he went vs TwoTon, nowhere near cleaning up the heavy division as he moaned about.

[JAB5239]

- - Roy picked up a lucrative title that put him in the driver's seat, but nobody could meet his price. Field was damaged goods and a good scalp, but he went vs TwoTon, nowhere near cleaning up the heavy division as he moaned about.

Toney had a much better career at heavyweight than Roy, and Holyfield made far more money. Ot was the smart and logical choice. And while Holyfield had been pro for nearly 20 years he still had a few decent wins after Toney including being robbed in the Valuev fight.

[IronDanHamza]

Toney had a much better career at heavyweight than Roy, and Holyfield made far more money. Ot was the smart and logical choice. And while Holyfield had been pro for nearly 20 years he still had a few decent wins after Toney including being robbed in the Valuev fight.

How do you make that calculation when Roy Jones was Champion at HW and Toney wasn't.

They both beat one ranked contender at the weight.

Jones beat Ruiz and Toney beat Holyfield who were 1-1-1 against each other.

How does that equate to a much better HW spell?

If anything Roy's was better because he was Champion.

[Willie Pep 229]

How do you make that calculation when Roy Jones was Champion at HW and Toney wasn't.

They both beat one ranked contender at the weight.

Jones beat Ruiz and Toney beat Holyfield who were 1-1-1 against each other.

How does that equate to a much better HW spell?

If anything Roy's was better because he was Champion.

Don't disagree with anything you say about Toney but . . .

"If anything . . ." ---> Na! I just can't go there, dispite the straps avaiable, we must impose a standard that respects the fight game's integrity.

Roy Jones was never HW Champion.