Who ranks higher on the pound for pound all time greats Toney or Holyfield ?

[Nash out]

RING RING, a man answers the phone "Evan Fields." It's Evander Holyfield on the phone living his Breaking Bad lifestyle. His PED's were the Real Deal. Nash out

[them_apples]

Thing is toney was better than nearly everyone he faced, he just had the worst training habits of all time. Some camps he would only spar, nothing more.

on his best night Toney is p4p better imo

even the night he lost to Jones, if you shut the commentating off you realize Toney is just gassed and Jones is just doing stuff to sell the fight to the judges. Toney was making Jones miss almost everything. I think its the hardest style for Toney if you run from him like Jones did (took 2 minutes off each round) but still, always factor in that Jones was in far superior condition than Toney.

[them_apples]

Holyfield never tested positive for PEDs when tested.
Only when he was older great su****ions for his PED use was supported.

He was clearly on roids.

I got my own theory that Tyson hit the juice in the second fight cause he knew holyfield was as well. Put Tyson on juice and hell bite an ear off.

[Willow The Wisp]

That’s not even arguable, surely? Their resumes are worlds apart.

Talent wise it’s probably Toney but I would say that’s arguable between the two.

Agree. Not close at all. Toney was very good, but he was not great. Great management helped him.

[Tatabanya]

He was clearly on roids.

I got my own theory that Tyson hit the juice in the second fight cause he knew holyfield was as well. Put Tyson on juice and hell bite an ear off.

I believe Tyson seriously hit the juice right after leaving prison. From McNeeley on, he looked ripped like a bodybuilder, which wasn't that evident before the jail stint.

[WillieWild114]

I know, but the "Evan Fields" controversy convinces me he was juicing for most if not all of his HW career. His physique was also very unnatural looking. He also had that heart issue for a spell which may or may not have been contributed to steroids.

Still with his best physique he tested negative

[Slugfester]

Wow. I didn’t expect that.

Shocking is what it is.

[Slugfester]

I don't think there is any comparison. Holyfield by a mile.

Lots of calumny around here (today). Right from his time in the Olympics Holy had one of the hardest bodies I ever saw. I think he didn't get that from steroids. Maybe later when he became a heavyweight and gained a lot of weight he did. Takes proof, not circumstantial evidence. I doubt the circumstantial evidence is strong enough to get a conviction. If it is, present it.

[The D3vil]

He was clearly on roids.

I got my own theory that Tyson hit the juice in the second fight cause he knew holyfield was as well. Put Tyson on juice and hell bite an ear off.

I mean, he was on psychotropic drugs, so that could be the reason he was fxcked in the head.

But yeah,once Tyson started getting up to 240 on a 5'10/5'11 frame, something was off.

Still with his best physique he tested negative

So did Lance Armstrong

[WillieWild114]

I mean, he was on psychotropic drugs, so that could be the reason he was fxcked in the head.

But yeah,once Tyson started getting up to 240 on a 5'10/5'11 frame, something was off.



So did Lance Armstrong

It’s easy to get to 240 lb on a 5’10 frame if your a mesomorph that eats alot and have high testosterone. I almost went to 250 lb being 5’11 im sure Mike Tyson can do it waaaaay easier than me with money and chefs and higher testosterone and it’s not like he was ripped 230/240 he had some fat on him.