Sonny Liston Introspection.

[billeau2]

This vid does a nice job breaking down some of the technical attributes of arguably one of the ATG heavyweights. In my personal, often misguided opinion Sonny Liston and Jimmy Young are two of the most chronically underrated heavyweights.

I like how the narrator discusses Liston's footwork. It was unique, I often refer to it as a variant of the "two step."

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[Anthony342]

This vid does a nice job breaking down some of the technical attributes of arguably one of the ATG heavyweights. In my personal, often misguided opinion Sonny Liston and Jimmy Young are two of the most chronically underrated heavyweights.

I like how the narrator discusses Liston's footwork. It was unique, I often refer to it as a variant of the "two step."

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How could Liston be underrated? Dude was dominant. He just took long to win the title because he didn't get a title shot sooner. So didn't have a lot of defenses, only 1. But that's what happens sometimes when it takes you 33 fights to get a title shot and Ali comes along in the same era as you.

[Slugfester]

Hadn't realized Sonny used his arms so extensively to manipulate opponents into position. He does it instinctively, a natural part of his game. One thing which enables that is his obviously superior strength. He can simply move his opponents' arms out of the way, providing an open highway for his punch, or block their escape like he would toddlers.

[Willow The Wisp]

How could Liston be underrated? Dude was dominant. He just took long to win the title because he didn't get a title shot sooner. So didn't have a lot of defenses, only 1. But that's what happens sometimes when it takes you 33 fights to get a title shot and Ali comes along in the same era as you.

Fortunately, he followed a very good, long reigning but overprotected champion, providing Liston with the opportunity to move the heavy boulders in the division before becoming champion. His beatings of Harris, Valdez, Machen, Folley and Williams (twice) constitute one of the best pre-title runs in history.

[Anthony342]

Fortunately, he followed a very good, long reigning but overprotected champion, providing Liston with the opportunity to move the heavy boulders in the division before becoming champion. His beatings of Harris, Valdez, Machen, Folley and Williams (twice) constitute one of the best pre-title runs in history.

Certainly do. Kinda like Tyson's. Similar styles and demeanors too. Cus D'Amato even said he wanted to find the next Liston when his fighter Patterson lost the title to Liston and knew he found it when he met Tyson.

[IronDanHamza]

Certainly do. Kinda like Tyson's. Similar styles and demeanors too. Cus D'Amato even said he wanted to find the next Liston when his fighter Patterson lost the title to Liston and knew he found it when he met Tyson.

Cus D'Amato said he found the next Sonny Liston when he met Mike Tyson? You're going to have to show me that quote.

Since, Mike Tyson and Sonny Liston are almost polar opposites when it comes to their style of fighting.

The fact you've just described their styles as similar is quite bizarre.

[IronDanHamza]

To the point of the thread, I'd certainly agree Sonny Liston is definitely an underrated HW.

These days, you don't see him in these ATG discussions often like you did yesteryear, why, I'm not sure.

He has a quality resume, better than quite a few that are often included.

On top of that H2H he's a difficult out for most, there's not many I'd pick to beat him. 84 inch reach which is ridiculous for a man his size, there aren't too many HW's with a longer reach.

One of the best jabs in HW history, scary power in both hands, great chin.

I mean, does anyone actually believe someone like Rocky Marciano as an example has any chance against a 210-220 lb Liston? Not a chance.

So yeah, great fighter and certainly underrated today.

[QueensburyRules]

This vid does a nice job breaking down some of the technical attributes of arguably one of the ATG heavyweights. In my personal, often misguided opinion Sonny Liston and Jimmy Young are two of the most chronically underrated heavyweights.

I like how the narrator discusses Liston's footwork. It was unique, I often refer to it as a variant of the "two step."

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- - Liston a mainstay in top 10s until slippage from great eras that followed including today.

Jimmy was robbed vs Ali big time, so they robbed George big time to make up for their corruption. Never on anyone's top 30 list save you/Kerouac/Ginsberg top 10.

You thinkin' about running against Biten?

[billeau2]

- - Liston a mainstay in top 10s until slippage from great eras that followed including today.

Jimmy was robbed vs Ali big time, so they robbed George big time to make up for their corruption. Never on anyone's top 30 list save you/Kerouac/Ginsberg top 10.

You thinkin' about running against Biten?

Yeah robbed... even though he knocked George down... Only fighter that got robbed was Jimmy, against Norton as well. You a fool!

[billeau2]

Hadn't realized Sonny used his arms so extensively to manipulate opponents into position. He does it instinctively, a natural part of his game. One thing which enables that is his obviously superior strength. He can simply move his opponents' arms out of the way, providing an open highway for his punch, or block their escape like he would toddlers.

Foreman, who was mentored by Liston does the same thing, but it more obvious about it. He also put his jab hand in their field of vision, so they could not see the punch coming.