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  • #1

    Ward compared to Floyd

    History may give Ward more, or less, acclaim. One thing is for sure, he was somewhat overshadowed by Mayweather in many respects. Both men have the prized goose egg... Floyd is automatically put on the ATG list by most boxing pundits, Ward, while certainly a great fighter, is not necessarily given a pass to that list. On this thread lets compare them, their actual abilities, the comp they fought, etc. Is Ward close to Floyd's acclaim? or simply a great fighter, who may/may not sneak on to that ATG list. I believe that one way to address Ward's abilities are to compare him to Floyd, especially regarding the competition they fought.

    Please find a post with a record of both men's boxing career from Wikipedia. So people can look and see who they actually fought.
    Last edited by billeau2; 05-10-2023, 04:42 PM.
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    Floyd Mayweather
    50 Win 50–0 Conor McGregor TKO 10 (12), 1:05 Aug 26, 2017 40 years, 183 days T-Mobile Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S.
    49 Win 49–0 Andre Berto UD 12 Sep 12, 2015 38 years, 200 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA (Unified), WBC, and The Ring welterweight titles
    48 Win 48–0 Manny Pacquiao UD 12 May 2, 2015 38 years, 67 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA (Unified), WBC, and The Ring welterweight titles;
    Won WBO welterweight title
    47 Win 47–0 Marcos Maidana UD 12 Sep 13, 2014 37 years, 201 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA (Unified), WBC, and The Ring welterweight titles;
    Retained WBC light middleweight title
    46 Win 46–0 Marcos Maidana MD 12 May 3, 2014 37 years, 68 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC and The Ring welterweight titles;
    Won WBA (Unified) welterweight title
    45 Win 45–0 Canelo Álvarez MD 12 Sep 14, 2013 36 years, 202 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA (Super) light middleweight title;
    Won WBC and The Ring light middleweight titles
    44 Win 44–0 Robert Guerrero UD 12 May 4, 2013 36 years, 69 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC welterweight title;
    Won vacant The Ring welterweight title
    43 Win 43–0 Miguel Cotto UD 12 May 5, 2012 35 years, 71 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBA (Super) light middleweight title
    42 Win 42–0 Victor Ortiz KO 4 (12), 2:59 Sep 17, 2011 34 years, 205 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBC welterweight title
    41 Win 41–0 Shane Mosley UD 12 May 1, 2010 33 years, 66 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S.
    40 Win 40–0 Juan Manuel Márquez UD 12 Sep 19, 2009 32 years, 207 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S.
    39 Win 39–0 Ricky Hatton TKO 10 (12), 1:35 Dec 8, 2007 30 years, 287 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC and The Ring welterweight titles
    38 Win 38–0 Oscar De La Hoya SD 12 May 5, 2007 30 years, 70 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBC light middleweight title
    37 Win 37–0 Carlos Baldomir UD 12 Nov 4, 2006 29 years, 253 days Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained IBO welterweight title;
    Won WBC, IBA, and The Ring welterweight titles
    36 Win 36–0 Zab Judah UD 12 Apr 8, 2006 29 years, 43 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won IBF and vacant IBO welterweight titles
    35 Win 35–0 Sharmba Mitchell TKO 6 (12), 2:06 Nov 19, 2005 28 years, 268 days Rose Garden, Portland, Oregon, U.S.
    34 Win 34–0 Arturo Gatti RTD 6 (12), 3:00 Jun 25, 2005 28 years, 121 days Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Won WBC super lightweight title
    33 Win 33–0 Henry Bruseles TKO 8 (12), 2:55 Jan 22, 2005 27 years, 333 days American Airlines Arena, Miami, Florida, U.S.
    32 Win 32–0 DeMarcus Corley UD 12 May 22, 2004 27 years, 88 days Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S.
    31 Win 31–0 Phillip N'dou TKO 7 (12), 1:08 Nov 1, 2003 26 years, 250 days Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, U.S. Retained WBC and The Ring lightweight titles
    30 Win 30–0 Victoriano Sosa UD 12 Apr 19, 2003 26 years, 54 days Selland Arena, Fresno, California, U.S. Retained WBC and The Ring lightweight titles
    29 Win 29–0 José Luis Castillo UD 12 Dec 7, 2002 25 years, 286 days Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC and The Ring lightweight titles
    28 Win 28–0 José Luis Castillo UD 12 Apr 20, 2002 25 years, 55 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBC and vacant The Ring lightweight titles
    27 Win 27–0 Jesús Chávez RTD 9 (12), 3:00 Nov 10, 2001 24 years, 259 days Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    26 Win 26–0 Carlos Hernández UD 12 May 26, 2001 24 years, 91 days Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    25 Win 25–0 Diego Corrales TKO 10 (12), 2:19 Jan 20, 2001 23 years, 331 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    24 Win 24–0 Emanuel Augustus TKO 9 (10), 1:06 Oct 21, 2000 23 years, 240 days Cobo Hall, Detroit, Michigan, U.S.
    23 Win 23–0 Gregorio Vargas UD 12 Mar 18, 2000 23 years, 84 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    22 Win 22–0 Carlos Gerena RTD 7 (12), 3:00 Sep 11, 1999 22 years, 199 days Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    21 Win 21–0 Justin Juuko KO 9 (12), 1:20 May 22, 1999 22 years, 87 days Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    20 Win 20–0 Carlos Rios UD 12 Feb 17, 1999 21 years, 358 days Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, Michigan, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    19 Win 19–0 Angel Manfredy TKO 2 (12), 2:47 Dec 19, 1998 21 years, 298 days Miccosukee Resort and Gaming, Miami, Florida, U.S. Retained WBC super featherweight title
    18 Win 18–0 Genaro Hernández RTD 8 (12), 3:00 Oct 3, 1998 21 years, 221 days Las Vegas Hilton, Winchester, Nevada, U.S. Won WBC super featherweight title
    17 Win 17–0 Tony Pep UD 10 Jun 14, 1998 21 years, 110 days Etess Arena, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S.
    16 Win 16–0 Gustavo Cuello UD 10 Apr 18, 1998 21 years, 53 days Grand Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, U.S.
    15 Win 15–0 Miguel Melo TKO 3 (10), 2:30 Mar 23, 1998 21 years, 27 days Foxwoods Resort Casino, Ledyard, Connecticut, U.S.
    14 Win 14–0 Sam Girard KO 2 (10), 2:47 Feb 28, 1998 21 years, 4 days Bally's, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S.
    13 Win 13–0 Hector Arroyo TKO 5 (10), 1:21 Jan 9, 1998 20 years, 319 days Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, U.S.
    12 Win 12–0 Angelo Nuñez TKO 3 (8), 2:42 Nov 20, 1997 20 years, 269 days Grand Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, U.S.
    11 Win 11–0 Felipe Garcia KO 6 (8), 2:56 Oct 14, 1997 20 years, 232 days Qwest Arena, Boise, Idaho, U.S.
    10 Win 10–0 Louie Leija TKO 2 (10), 2:33 Sep 6, 1997 20 years, 194 days County Coliseum, El Paso, Texas, U.S.
    9 Win 9–0 Jesus Roberto Chavez TKO 5 (6), 2:02 Jul 12, 1997 20 years, 138 days Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, U.S.
    8 Win 8–0 Larry O'Shields UD 6 Jun 14, 1997 20 years, 110 days Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas, U.S.
    7 Win 7–0 Tony Duran TKO 1 (6), 1:12 May 9, 1997 20 years, 74 days The Orleans, Paradise, Nevada, U.S.
    6 Win 6–0 Bobby Giepert TKO 1 (6), 1:30 Apr 12, 1997 20 years, 47 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S.
    5 Win 5–0 Kino Rodriguez TKO 1 (6), 1:44 Mar 12, 1997 20 years, 16 days DeltaPlex Arena, Walker, Michigan, U.S.
    4 Win 4–0 Edgar Ayala TKO 2 (4), 1:39 Feb 1, 1997 19 years, 343 days Swiss Park Hall, Chula Vista, California, U.S.
    3 Win 3–0 Jerry Cooper TKO 1 (4), 1:39 Jan 18, 1997 19 years, 329 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S.
    2 Win 2–0 Reggie Sanders UD 4 Nov 30, 1996 19 years, 280 days Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, New Mexico, U.S.
    1 Win 1–0 Roberto Apodaca TKO 2 (4), 0:37 Oct 11, 1996 19 years, 230 days Texas Station, North Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.
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    Andre Ward

    32 Win 32–0 Sergey Kovalev TKO 8 (12), 2:29 Jun 17, 2017 Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA (Super), IBF, and WBO light heavyweight titles;
    Won vacant The Ring light heavyweight title
    31 Win 31–0 Sergey Kovalev UD 12 Nov 19, 2016 T-Mobile Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBA (Super), IBF, and WBO light heavyweight titles
    30 Win 30–0 Alexander Brand UD 12 Aug 6, 2016 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. Won vacant WBO International light heavyweight title
    29 Win 29–0 Sullivan Barrera UD 12 Mar 26, 2016 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.
    28 Win 28–0 Paul Smith TKO 9 (12), 1:45 Jun 20, 2015 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S.
    27 Win 27–0 Edwin Rodríguez UD 12 Nov 16, 2013 Citizens Business Bank Arena, Ontario, California, U.S. Retained WBA (Super) and The Ring super middleweight titles
    26 Win 26–0 Chad Dawson TKO 10 (12), 2:45 Sep 8, 2012 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. Retained WBA (Super), WBC, and The Ring super middleweight titles
    25 Win 25–0 Carl Froch UD 12 Dec 17, 2011 Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBA (Super) super middleweight title;
    Won WBC and vacant The Ring super middleweight titles;
    Super Six World Boxing Classic: final
    24 Win 24–0 Arthur Abraham UD 12 May 14, 2011 Home Depot Center, Carson, California, U.S. Retained WBA (Super) super middleweight title;
    Super Six World Boxing Classic: semi-final
    23 Win 23–0 Sakio Bika UD 12 Nov 27, 2010 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. Retained WBA (Super) super middleweight title
    22 Win 22–0 Allan Green UD 12 Jun 19, 2010 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. Retained WBA (Super) super middleweight title;
    Super Six World Boxing Classic: group stage 2
    21 Win 21–0 Mikkel Kessler TD 11 (12), 1:42 Nov 21, 2009 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. Won WBA (Super) super middleweight title;
    Super Six World Boxing Classic: group stage 1;
    Unanimous TD: Kessler cut from accidental head clashes
    20 Win 20–0 Shelby Pudwill TKO 3 (10), 2:16 Sep 12, 2009 Pechanga Resort & Casino, Temecula, California, U.S.
    19 Win 19–0 Edison Miranda UD 12 May 16, 2009 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California, U.S. Retained NABF and NABO super middleweight titles
    18 Win 18–0 Henry Buchanan UD 12 Feb 6, 2009 Tachi Palace Hotel & Casino, Lemoore, California, U.S. Won NABO super middleweight title;
    Won vacant NABF super middleweight title
    17 Win 17–0 Esteban Camou TKO 3 (10), 2:46 Dec 13, 2008 Morongo Casino Resort & Spa, Cabazon, California, U.S.
    16 Win 16–0 Jerson Ravelo TKO 8 (12), 2:37 Jun 20, 2008 Royal Watler Cruise Terminal, George Town, Cayman Islands Won vacant NABO super middleweight title
    15 Win 15–0 Rubin Williams TKO 7 (10), 2:51 Mar 20, 2008 HP Pavilion, San Jose, California, U.S.
    14 Win 14–0 Roger Cantrell TKO 5 (10), 1:56 Nov 16, 2007 Beausejour Stadium, Gros Islet, Saint Lucia
    13 Win 13–0 Francisco Diaz TKO 3 (8), 2:59 Jul 14, 2007 Home Depot Center, Carson, California, U.S.
    12 Win 12–0 Dhafir Smith TKO 6 (8), 2:47 May 17, 2007 Tachi Palace Hotel & Casino, Lemoore, California, U.S.
    11 Win 11–0 Julio Jean TKO 3 (8), 2:04 Mar 29, 2007 HP Pavilion, San Jose, California, U.S.
    10 Win 10–0 Derrick Findley UD 6 Nov 16, 2006 HP Pavilion, San Jose, California, U.S.
    9 Win 9–0 Andy Kolle RTD 6 (8), 3:00 Apr 29, 2006 Foxwoods Resort Casino, Ledyard, Connecticut, U.S.
    8 Win 8–0 Kendall Gould UD 6 Feb 23, 2006 Tachi Palace Hotel & Casino, Lemoore, California, U.S.
    7 Win 7–0 Darnell Boone UD 6 Nov 19, 2005 Rose Garden, Portland, Oregon, U.S.
    6 Win 6–0 Glenn LaPlante KO 1 (6), 2:59 Oct 1, 2005 St. Pete Times Forum, Tampa, Florida, U.S.
    5 Win 5–0 Christopher Holt RTD 3 (6), 3:00 Aug 18, 2005 HP Pavilion, San Jose, California, U.S.
    4 Win 4–0 Ben Aragon TKO 3 (6), 0:59 Jun 18, 2005 FedExForum, Memphis, Tennessee, U.S.
    3 Win 3–0 Roy Ashworth DQ 3 (6), 2:56 Apr 7, 2005 Pechanga Resort & Casino, Temecula, California, U.S. Ashworth disqualified for hitting on the break
    2 Win 2–0 Kenny Kost UD 6 Feb 10, 2005 Palace Indian Gaming Center, Lemoore, California, U.S.
    1 Win 1–0 Chris Molina TKO 2 (4), 0:40 Dec 18, 2004 Staples Center, Los Angeles, California, U.S.
    ​

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    • #3
      Andre Ward HOF calibur, not ATG.

      Floyd obviously one of the ATG's.

      Not even close to comparable really.

      Ward's career is more comparable to Floyd's career at 130 and 135.
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      • #4
        I'm not a fan of Mayweather the fighter or person, but I think he was a more refined and well rounded fighter. Ward may very well the best to do it at 168, but Floyd is still more accomplished.
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        • #5
          Floyd would get the edge IMO, but both are overrated. Before the flaming begins, a fighter can still be good or even great while being overrated. Ward was a dirty fighter who relied on elbows, low blows, clinching, forearms, wrestling, etc. he rough-housed and wrangled opponents and somehow was never DQ’d. The Kessler fight should have been a DQ loss as well as the Kovalev rematch. He got a gift in their first fight. He was a somewhat boring fighter. He should be 30-2.

          Floyd was dirty but more subtle. Forearms and elbows, clinching, shoving. He like award was a boring fighter, threw less than 35 punches per round for most of his career. Was happy to just score rounds and win by UD, and was deathly afraid to lose. He got at least three gifts; Castillo I, Oscar, and Maidana I, the PAC fight should have been a draw. He should have been DQ’d in the Judah fight. He should be 45-4-1. He also avoided quite a few fighters during his career and never fought the elite level names at their best.

          What gives Floyd the edge is his greater defensive skills, and fighting and winning titles at more weight classes.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
            Floyd would get the edge IMO, but both are overrated. Before the flaming begins, a fighter can still be good or even great while being overrated. Ward was a dirty fighter who relied on elbows, low blows, clinching, forearms, wrestling, etc. he rough-housed and wrangled opponents and somehow was never DQ’d. The Kessler fight should have been a DQ loss as well as the Kovalev rematch. He got a gift in their first fight. He was a somewhat boring fighter. He should be 30-2.

            Floyd was dirty but more subtle. Forearms and elbows, clinching, shoving. He like award was a boring fighter, threw less than 35 punches per round for most of his career. Was happy to just score rounds and win by UD, and was deathly afraid to lose. He got at least three gifts; Castillo I, Oscar, and Maidana I, the PAC fight should have been a draw. He should have been DQ’d in the Judah fight. He should be 45-4-1. He also avoided quite a few fighters during his career and never fought the elite level names at their best.

            What gives Floyd the edge is his greater defensive skills, and fighting and winning titles at more weight classes.
            As Floyd said you play baseball you play football. You don't play boxing.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
              I'm not a fan of Mayweather the fighter or person, but I think he was a more refined and well rounded fighter. Ward may very well the best to do it at 168, but Floyd is still more accomplished.
              Far more accomplished...

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              • #8
                That first Kovalev fight will never sit right with me. I thought Ward lost that fight.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Beercules View Post
                  That first Kovalev fight will never sit right with me. I thought Ward lost that fight.
                  - - Should've been DQed in the 2nd fight too. Wart at heart an insecure sissy needing heavy ref assistance, not a real fighter. He volunteered to fight l'l floydy at 162 lbs, but wouldn't fight Golovkin at 164, whereas Golovkin offered l'l floydy a crack at his middle title at 155lbs, or to come down to 154 for Floyd belts, but no go for l'l floydy for either.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                    Andre Ward HOF calibur, not ATG.

                    Floyd obviously one of the ATG's.

                    Not even close to comparable really.

                    Ward's career is more comparable to Floyd's career at 130 and 135.
                    Its a good comparison because Ward at his best weight was really the most outstanding aspect of his career and Floyd was at his best at those weights (130-135).

                    Ward was not a fighter that we have to look at in many divisions to place his greatest work, as compared to someone like Archie Moore.

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