Greb vs Robinson

[billeau2]

Lol you can remaster skill levels now? If you think boxing skills haven't evolved from 1910 to today then you get a big ole fashion ignored. Bye bye.

In other words: If you show what an idiot I am, i will take my toys from the sand box and leave... and if you really bother me I will tell my mommy!

[billeau2]

It's almost like he never read a ring magazine. They state so much how boxing took decline's from a particular era to the next era. They never preached that each new era was the best era and that's a pleura of different writers in ring magazine.. Obviously trainers had a huge impact many of the best were from the original era such as Jack Blackburn he didn't just start teaching guys in the Joe Louis era.

Stating every old fighter is crude is just ridiculous. Even more ridiculous passing judgement on a fighter with no film like your option is a fact (its not)
There was a guy on here who made a great post about film transfer I think it was Kara (but im not sure). But he had beautiful insight on it. The film speed & poor quality leads to a severe deception was basically his take.

Certainly there was an abundance of crude fighters in the white hope era but you can't group them all together particularly all the weight classes.

The really sad thing is Youtube has so much stuff one can look at. A lot of the old fights have been retouched and you see how incredible some of these guys really were. And People fail to understand how boxing evolved along combat approaches. Originally the technical aspects came from fencing, so distance, timing, and targeting were very different. The assumption is that when the golden age of the punchers came along, ushered in by Dempsey and bookended by Louis... boxers were better. In fact, changes brought about different tactics, fighters squared off as opposed to maintaining sword length distance, and the gloves got a lot bigger.

People assume everything evolves, yet right now today as we stand, there is not a craftsman in the world who could build a Kemetic pyrmid from the Old Kingdom of Egypt. Boxing has always had great fighters and in every combat sport there is a time when people have to adapt to changing circumstances.

[GhostofDempsey]

Lol you maybe the worst poster here and that is saying something. Besides Rocky Marciano fanboys every other poster here will occasionally make a intelligent comment. But 100 percent of the stuff you type is just utter ******ity. There is no footage of Greb but there is footage of other guys from the era be it Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Sam Langford ect. All of these fighters were crude by modern standards. Logic will state Greb was just as crude. So because some so called boxing "Historian" states Greb could beat guys from more skilled era's doesn't mean anything. It is like Bert Sugar having the top 10 heavyweights of all time and having Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson,. Neither one of these guys are heavyweights by modern standards, some of these guys weren't skilled by modern standards but he has these guys on the list over Lennox Lewis for example.

Greb was a crude fighter and so were every other fighter from that era. Any decent middleweight from the 1960's to today would destroy him.

Please describe how modern fighters are so much more advanced than fighters of the 1920s. Tell us specifically how Andy Ruiz, Joseph Parker, Joshua, Joyce, Ortiz, Stiverne, Whyte, Wilder are more nuanced and skilled.

[shawnkemp804]

Please describe how modern fighters are so much more advanced than fighters of the 1920s. Tell us specifically how Andy Ruiz, Joseph Parker, Joshua, Joyce, Ortiz, Stiverne, Whyte, Wilder are more nuanced and skilled.

By me blocking you? That is why modern boxing is so much more advanced.

[GhostofDempsey]

By me blocking you? That is why modern boxing is so much more advanced.

Excellent, I didn't think you'd have a legit answer. Another troll that DKSAB.

[Slugfester]

This fight might look a lot like Pep/Saddler lll.

[QueensburyRules]

This fight might look a lot like Pep/Saddler lll.

- - Nah, Greb not the physical presence of Saddler to diminutive Pep. If anything, prime to prime or past prime, Robby would hold the footwork and boxing and length advantages to the otherwise physically equal presence of Greb who was something of a mad dog bumrusher from descriptions of him in the day.

[them_apples]

Lol you maybe the worst poster here and that is saying something. Besides Rocky Marciano fanboys every other poster here will occasionally make a intelligent comment. But 100 percent of the stuff you type is just utter ******ity. There is no footage of Greb but there is footage of other guys from the era be it Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Sam Langford ect. All of these fighters were crude by modern standards. Logic will state Greb was just as crude. So because some so called boxing "Historian" states Greb could beat guys from more skilled era's doesn't mean anything. It is like Bert Sugar having the top 10 heavyweights of all time and having Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson,. Neither one of these guys are heavyweights by modern standards, some of these guys weren't skilled by modern standards but he has these guys on the list over Lennox Lewis for example.

Greb was a crude fighter and so were every other fighter from that era. Any decent middleweight from the 1960's to today would destroy him.

And you literally don’t know anything about boxing, thats why it baffles you. Lol. Thats all I can say.

[them_apples]

Lol you can remaster skill levels now? If you think boxing skills haven't evolved from 1910 to today then you get a big ole fashion ignored. Bye bye.

Youll block half the damn forum before your time is up lol. Its funny as well because you block all the best posters, further proving your ignorance.

[them_apples]

Wow! lets see? Greb was naturally bigger. Was Greb similar to the great pressure fighters Ray had his epic battles with? I see Greb more like Hank Armstrong. The kicker is, Robinson's best weight was light to welter, ironickly we only hear how great he was at light weight, but we see him at Middle and even light heavy.

If Greb had size and Armstrong type dynamics I think he is too much at middle and above for Robinson. I think Robinson could beat Greb if they could fight at a lower weight.

There is no shame in thinking Ray Robinson wins this... Robinson had so many gifts and could uncork a big punch suddenly, and finish when he smelled blood in the water. I think Jab said that like Tunney Robinson might blose initially and win the next... entirely possible with a boxing mind like Robinson possessed.

plenty of logic in this post. If we view the opponents and circumstances - at 160 Greb has a great chance of beating Robinson based on his style.