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  • #71
    Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

    History has shown that 170-175 pound man can beat a 200 - 210 pound man, especially if the 170 - 175 pound man has better speed and a tough chin. And is hard to hit. Greb was this. Over 12 rounds he has a good chance of pulling off the upset over Louis

    Ali fans skip over the fact that sub 200 pound men floored ( Banks and Cooper ) him and nearly out boxed him ( Jones ) but that happened.
    Could you give just one example of a fighter weighing in at 170-175 lbs and beating an elite fighter that weighed 210 + lbs?

    By elite, I mean HOF caliber Heavyweight, or even just Top 3 ranked at the time.
    Last edited by IronDanHamza; 05-08-2023, 01:29 PM.
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    • #72
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

      Could you give just one example of a fighter weighing in at 170-175 lbs and beating an elite fighter that weighed 210 + lbs?

      By elite, I mean HOF caliber Heavyweight, or even just Top 3 ranked at the time.
      Well I said

      History has shown that 170-175 pound man can beat a 200 - 210 pound man, especially if the 170 - 175 pound man has better speed and a tough chin. And is hard to hit. Greb was this. Over 12 rounds he has a good chance of pulling off the upset over Louis

      Ali fans skip over the fact that sub 200 pound men floored ( Banks and Cooper ) him and nearly out boxed him ( Jones ) but that happened.​
      There are numerous example of box rec to this. You changed what I said an upped the weight.

      See Fitzsimmons KO'ing Rhulin, or Burns beat Mavin Hart. Or Mickey Walker vs many guys. Or Choysnki beating Jack Johnson. Would it be better for you if I changed what I said to a 165-175 pound man beating a 190-210 pound man to better fit your perimeters? Work with me here and I can. Greb did not get a chance to fight Dempsey. But Billy Conn would have beaten Joe Louis if the match was 12 rounds, okay? He was below 175 pounds.

      Greb by the way beat plenty of bigger men and was very good. The point being he could beat several cruiser weight sized guys in Dempsey and Louis. In fact he did!




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      • #73
        Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

        Well I said



        There are numerous example of box rec to this. You changed what I said an upped the weight.

        See Fitzsimmons KO'ing Rhulin, or Burns beat Mavin Hart. Or Mickey Walker vs many guys. Or Choysnki beating Jack Johnson. Would it be better for you if I changed what I said to a 165-175 pound man beating a 190-210 pound man to better fit your perimeters? Work with me here and I can. Greb did not get a chance to fight Dempsey. But Billy Conn would have beaten Joe Louis if the match was 12 rounds, okay? He was below 175 pounds.

        Greb by the way beat plenty of bigger men and was very good. The point being he could beat several cruiser weight sized guys in Dempsey and Louis. In fact he did!



        A asked for quite clear criteria and none of your examples fit it.

        Do you have one that fits it?

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        • #74
          Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

          Not at all ya scrub. Because I live here doesn't mean I originate from here. Oh look there, another valuable lesson I've taught you!
          - - You sayin' you was hatched somewhere you too ashamed to man up to?

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          • #75
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

            - - You sayin' you was hatched somewhere you too ashamed to man up to?
            No, I wasn't saying anything like that. I'm saying you're an idiot who speaks without knowing what you're talking about or just flat out lies.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

              A asked for quite clear criteria and none of your examples fit it.

              Do you have one that fits it?
              But I gave you some of them. Boxing history has more examples

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              • #77
                Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                But I gave you some of them. Boxing history has more examples
                None of those examples fit that criteria.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                  None of those examples fit that criteria.
                  That because you insisted they must be 210 pounds and ranked in the top 3 to qualify. In Greb's time there were none that I am are offering him a fight. Lower you bar those who fought at heavyweight and I'll show you quote a few, in fact I ready did. Men 160+ pounds certainty beat those at heavyweight weighting under 201 pounds! Langford who did not mention bet lot of bigger men to, Like Sam Mcvey , Harry Wills and Godfrey. He did not weight much more than 170 pounds! How is that example? I think I found a winner. Now cam you admit Greb had good chance vs. Louis?



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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                    That because you insisted they must be 210 pounds and ranked in the top 3 to qualify. In Greb's time there were none that I am are offering him a fight. Lower you bar those who fought at heavyweight and I'll show you quote a few, in fact I ready did. Men 160+ pounds certainty beat those at heavyweight weighting under 201 pounds! Langford who did not mention bet lot of bigger men to, Like Sam Mcvey , Harry Wills and Godfrey. He did not weight much more than 170 pounds! How is that example? I think I found a winner. Now cam you admit Greb had good chance vs. Louis?


                    Right so you don't have an example because it doesn't exist which is further evidence that the idea of Greb beating these elite ATG Heavyweight's is just ridiculous.

                    Langford was 190 lbs.. So that's a moot point and the guy's he beat were mostly under 210 lbs.

                    We are talking about Greb beating the likes of Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, George Foreman etc, these are 210+ lb, elite Heavyweights who would totally destroy him in a couple of rounds probably. The discussion is ridiculous.

                    And no I don't admit that he has a good chance with Louis, he actually has next to no chance with Louis.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                      That because you insisted they must be 210 pounds and ranked in the top 3 to qualify. In Greb's time there were none that I am are offering him a fight. Lower you bar those who fought at heavyweight and I'll show you quote a few, in fact I ready did. Men 160+ pounds certainty beat those at heavyweight weighting under 201 pounds! Langford who did not mention bet lot of bigger men to, Like Sam Mcvey , Harry Wills and Godfrey. He did not weight much more than 170 pounds! How is that example? I think I found a winner. Now cam you admit Greb had good chance vs. Louis?


                      You make a very good point. if you have said any other HW before 1950 I'm willing to listen. There's a reason why Joe was 66-3 with 52 KOs. He lost his first fight. he didn't lose again till 17 years later. 25 defenses and 12 years as champ. I have a great deal of respect for Greb. Just not in this fight. Peace.

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